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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Issues relating to University Hospital Limerick: Discussion (10 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: That is fair enough. The terms of reference were delayed. The Minister announced in late April that HIQA was going to carry out a review of emergency care and it took three months for the terms of reference to be agreed. The reason, which was legitimate, was that the Minister was waiting for the Clarke report. If the Minister does not have any memories of this instantaneously, it probably...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Issues relating to University Hospital Limerick: Discussion (10 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: I do not dispute that. The Minister's party held the office when the emergency departments in Limerick and Nenagh were closed. If we want to do a history lesson, let us do a history lesson. I am talking about the HIQA report the Minister announced in April of this year, four years to the day, more or less, since the Minister took up his position. The Minister can take offence all he...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Issues relating to University Hospital Limerick: Discussion (10 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: That is right, yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Issues relating to University Hospital Limerick: Discussion (10 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: I accept that. I have one final question. Who worked on the terms of reference? Was it HIQA, the Department or both?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Issues relating to University Hospital Limerick: Discussion (10 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: Did HIQA want to wait until after the Clarke report or was that just the Department?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Issues relating to University Hospital Limerick: Discussion (10 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: That is fine.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: Picking up on that point and reflecting on this whole issue, clearly the commissioning is a major project. We need to be realistic and honest with people that, yes, we might be able to shed some time off the delivery date and get some back office work done, but clearly a hospital can only be commissioned effectively when you have the keys and take it over. My first question for the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: The detail that I want is at high level, to be honest.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: That is fine. I might bring Mr. Lynch in in round two but I want to stick with the Minister for the moment. Following on from Deputy Kenny's question regarding the timeline, and I appreciate the Minister does not want to get into picking a date, he might tell us when he is expecting this intensive round of engagement with BAM to conclude? Bear in mind, we have had four extensions of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: The Minister must have an indicative date.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: Does the Minister expect it in the next couple of weeks? I presume it will not be a couple of months but a couple of weeks.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: Good.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: With regard to the cost of €2.2 billion, my understanding is that there are claims of over €900 million. Again, realistically, we have to be prepared that the cost of the hospital is going to be in excess of €2.2 billion. Ultimately, some of these claims will be settled in the courts. I would like the Minister's view on the €2.2 billion. I assume, and I think...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: I will put it to the Minister another way then.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: We have to be realistic because we are talking about taxpayers' money. We have to be somewhat forthright with people. Has the Minister at any stage looked at designing out some of what has been proposed for the hospital in order to keep it in budget or to reduce the budget?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: Did the Minister at any stage over the past four years look at designing out any of the components or some of what might be considered non-essentials?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: At any stage, did the Minister look for resignations along the way in terms of the constant overruns from any of the board? The accountability issues are important and while the Minister might not like people asking the questions, he would have asked them himself. Indeed, when the Minister was before the committee as a Deputy, he asked the very hard questions and rightly so. I am asking...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: National Children’s Hospital: Discussion (9 Oct 2024)

Martin Conway: This has obviously continued.

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