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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: A new contract was determined in July 2020. It is a seven-year contract.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: Okay. I do not have much time. I would like to touch on the ongoing debacle relating to and the set of debacles that resulted in the killing of Shane O'Farrell in 2011. In 2019, a scoping inquiry was established instead of the full public inquiry that both Houses of the Oireachtas had unanimously called for. Considering that it is now 2022, and I assume that the witnesses will not be able...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: Has any other scoping inquiry taken three years?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: Would Ms McPhillips consider three years to be appropriate or even acceptable?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: Here is the difficulty. Shane was killed in 2011 by someone who should have been in prison. It is now 2022. We had the GSOC inquiry, which took God knows how long, and the Department refused to answer any questions when it was taking place Now we have the scoping inquiry, which has been in train for three years. I assume that if, as directed by the Houses, we are to have a further public...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: Does Ms McPhillips think it has been going on for too long?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: One of the debacles was that Mr. Gradzuiska, the man who killed Shane, was convicted of two different offences in 2010. Those offences were appealed, but the appeals never happened. On 15 May 2019, the then Minister for Justice signed the terms of reference, approved by the Attorney General, for a review of the District Court system, which, in addition to the error, was also supposed to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: I have named someone who was convicted. It is a matter of record.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: I am asking Ms McPhillips why-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: Yes, please do.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: In 2020, the family had, through the Freedom of Information Acts, sought information but the Courts Service report into that set of incidents was not included in the response they received. It was my understanding that the Minister and senior officials had signed off on the fact that the family would be provided with that information. Why were the family not provided with it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: I am asking Ms McPhillips why the Department-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: It did not come to light when the original-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: It is my understanding that Ms McPhillips would be very well aware of much of the detail of this case. Does she accept that there is a need for a public inquiry into the killing of Shane O'Farrell, as mandated by both Houses of the Oireachtas?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: This is in respect of contracts that the Department of Justice signed off. They are direct provision contracts.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: With respect, I am asking why a document was not provided by the Department to somebody on foot of a freedom of information request. I hope Judge Haughton is dealing with more substantive issues than that. I am asking why the Department did not provide a Courts Service report into this matter to an eligible recipient under the Freedom of Information Acts when it was sought.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: On section A, the matter I wish to raise follows on from our meeting with the officials from the Department of Justice and the Irish Prison Service this morning. The responses to my questions on the Shane O'Farrell case were very frustrating. The Secretary General of the Department of Justice indicated a number of times that she could not comment on the questions I was asking because, if I...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: The questions I asked were not related to the scoping inquiry at all, but the scoping inquiry was cited as a reason answers possibly could not be given. I do not buy that. The questions will be on the record. The Secretary General indicated on a number of occasions that she may provide a note of the matter. As well as asking for the information, we should point out that the scoping...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: Again, the correspondence does not provide the clarity required. It appears to me that the justification for a salary above the scale previously set down was justified from a business case presented by Horse Racing Ireland itself. The new CEO was appointed before the new salary was approved. I would love to know what would have happened if the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Apr 2022)

Matt Carthy: Essentially, new salary guidelines were issued for this position but we were told they could not affect the incumbent and would apply only to the new CEO, whenever the position arose. What happened, according to freedom of information, FOI, releases I have received, was that NewERA effectively reviewed a business case that was provided to it by the Department of Agriculture, Food and the...

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