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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I have shown latitude.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: The Minister has answered, "No."

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: The remaining committee members will address points of clarification. We have allowed 15 minutes maximum for this segment and the meeting will conclude at approximately 8.13 p.m.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: This is our difficulty.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Our difficulty is that three threats were identified to us. Let us focus on Nos. 2 and 4. The second one refers to the chances of it being a coincidence as being next to zero while the third refers to government-level technology. If the Minister has an assessment from Rits that unravels that, we need to know in respect of our deliberations as a committee. Can the Minister give us a...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: No but if we had it, we could ascertain the position.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: The Minister is a very intelligent man and knows exactly what I am saying. Our committee has been given an assessment. GSOC had the courtesy to outline to us the three threats and the Verrimus security assessment of the three threats. The Minister gave an account to the Dáil last night that seeks to undermine and unravel one of them and that is his right. He mentioned a second one....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: That would be very helpful.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: So the Minister's officials are making-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: That would be very helpful. Deputy Clare Daly had a second question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: For clarification, the Minister has said that there was no authorisation for surveillance from him and that no surveillance was authorised by any of those three agencies that are allowed to do so under the law.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Could the Deputy speak through the Chair? The Minister has answered-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: We need to ask questions, Deputy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Has Rits explained an alternative rationale to the Minister for all three threats?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Will the Minister go through all three threats?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Minister, let me finish. With respect, I am the Chairman of the committee. The first threat is the Wi-Fi issue, the second, the conference call, and the third, the IMSI technology. Will the Minister confirm that Rits has given him alternative scenarios with regard to these three threats?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: We will go through them again.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Thank you, Minister. That was not clear when you spoke about it earlier.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: The Minister has received an alternative peer review from Rits. Will he publish its assessments or make them available to our committee on a confidential basis?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: The Minister published one of them. Why can he not publish all three?

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