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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy only has two minutes left.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy's ten minutes are up. I ask the witnesses to briefly reply.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: As we are on a tight timetable, I ask Mr. Barry to send a note to the committee on the point raised by Deputy O'Connell.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are short on time and must move on.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: At this stage a votáil has been called in the Chamber.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have a few questions on that precise issue. Given that the company was wrong to some extent, which the board must quantify, what comeback has the board against the company, in terms of financial comeback, for advice that did not stand up? Has the board pursued the matter? This project is costing the Irish taxpayer money. Somebody made mistakes in terms of the cost and the obvious...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: Please say that again slowly for the viewers.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: The board did not get it right.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: The board did not get the inputs right.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: Where is the board on that?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am going to get Mr. Barry to explain that last bit again. Is he saying it was going to cost more anyway?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: In other words, it was always going to cost €1.7 billion and as for the fact that we did not know about it, tough. Is that what Mr. Barry is saying?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: In other words, Mr. Barry is saying we were all led a merry dance, life is tough, there is no comeback and the project was always going to cost that amount if one built that?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: And the fact that we were all talking about lower figures, we were all being fooled collectively, the whole lot of us.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: And because we were the fools, we pay for it.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am not finished with this topic.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is that design team still with the board?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board: Financial Statements 2017 (Resumed) (16 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: How could the board have absolute confidence in a design team that got this so wrong at this early stage and there are four more years to go?

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