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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank the witnesses, the staff from the Department of Justice and Mr. O'Callaghan from the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform for the work they did in preparing for today's meeting and supplying information. I also thank Mr. Seamus McCarthy, the Comptroller and Auditor General, and his team for assisting and attending today as well. Is it...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: The public business before us this afternoon is as follows: minutes, accounts and financial statements, correspondence, work programme and any other business. The first item is the minutes of the meeting of 18 May which have been circulated to members. Do any members wish to raise any matters regarding the minutes? Are the minutes agreed? Agreed. They will be published on the committee's...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I will bring him in at the end. I will see if other members want to come in.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Let me outline the issue I have with it. I would actually go further. What caught my eye in the response from the project director is the expectation regarding the main contractor. It refers only to an expectation of an updated programme for substantial completion. That was to come to the employer representative and, obviously, the board as far back as February. That that has not...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: We will ask for confirmation whether it is the case that it will not open until the end of 2025 and, if it is not, the projected opening date. We will ask that question along with the others and see what happens. Section C is correspondence from and related to private individuals and any other correspondence. No. R1893, from an individual, is dated 4 May 2023. It is further...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Based on the Deputy's local information on this issue, is there an unauthorised development file opened with the county council?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I know there is a time limit on unauthorised development files. It is with the county council and we have referred the matter to the Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth. Is the Deputy happy enough with that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: With the agreement of the committee, we will refer that correspondence to the Joint Committee on Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth. No. R1899, from Deputy McAuliffe, concerns an individual's experience regarding assessments for intellectual disabilities. It is proposed to note and publish this item and forward it to the Joint Committee on Health and the Joint Committee...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I refer to a possible engagement with the Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board to discuss its financial statements for 2021. The Comptroller and Auditor General has drawn attention to an issue of non-compliance with salary disclosure requirements and the terms of the early retirement package for the former CEO. The question is what our agenda should be for the meeting of 29 June. As I...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: The meeting of 22 June is with the Department of Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media. The Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine is the parent Department for the horse racing industry.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: We may, but there is a choice to be made. We have had a substantial number of guests in to discuss the broader issues and we have done a report, which was launched in recent months. There are a lot of related issues that come up at meetings of the committee. There is the option of doing as the Deputy proposes. When officials from the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine were...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I am not aware of resignations from the board.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: We can bring the officials in for a full hearing on that issue.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: The decision on the agenda for the meeting of 29 June is in the committee's hands. We have had a report on the broader issues the Deputy referenced and we have had a number of engagements with the people involved. There is always a general governance issue when we bring in any Accounting Officer, but the question is whether there is enough in this particular matter to warrant a full...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: There is the possibility of engagement with the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment on the Workplace Relations Commission. There is the Comptroller and Auditor General's special report on NAMA's progress in achieving its objectives. That is due to be published soon but we do not have a date for it. Then there is the possibility to discuss the IHRB's financial statements and the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I would imagine that if we are doing a report on Sport Ireland, because it is a different Department, it will be a report on that hearing. Does anyone else want to come in regarding the work programme? We have a vacancy on 29 June. Here are the options. We previously agreed to defer a meeting with the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment with a focus on the Workplace Relations...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Those are the options.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Do any other members wish to contribute? We can bring in NAMA but there is a bit of uncertainty around that because there is the question of when we will have the report from the Comptroller and Auditor General. The Comptroller and Auditor General might wish to comment on when that report is likely to appear.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: That leaves us with the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment regarding the Workplace Relations Commission with IDA Ireland attached to that, as raised by Deputy Dillon. Deputy Catherine Murphy has proposed the option of the Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board. They are the options.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Does Deputy Colm Burke have any preference?

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