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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: I believe that is probably accurate. I am also interested in statistics on geography. Do we know where the consultants and doctors who have left the system are working? Do we have a breakdown of that information?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: Would Ms O'Farrell mind providing that information?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: Would it also be possible to change the inputs to gather that information in the future? It will be very useful to know, from a geographical perspective, the facilities such people left, the final posts they held and their specialties. That information is incredibly important to us; we are talking about it all the time. The Medical Council does not distinguish between public and private....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: Does Dr. Doyle have a gut feeling about it? We now know that consultants are on two-tier contracts. That is an issue we have talked about ad nauseamand most of us are on the same page in respect of it. Is access to an opportunity to practise privately a variable to be considered for medical practitioners who are deciding to leave the country?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: We all know that the conditions in which many consultants work are unacceptable although it is not the same across the various hospitals. Those of us in the mid west know there is a particular issue in UHL that is incredibly bad in comparison with the position in Beaumont Hospital. The number of doctors per head of population in Beaumont versus UHL is a national scandal. Doctors in UHL are...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: Does Dr. Doyle have a gut feeling? I am asking a lot of questions because the quantitative and qualitative data that has been provided does not seem to provide a lot of answers. Hopefully it will do so in the future.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: That is a good and welcome statement. I thank Dr. Doyle.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: He certainly would not.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: Is it comments or questions or both? The Chairman knows me too well. I have a few questions and I do not wish to go over old ground. I have great sympathy with regard to the pay differential. None of us can give a guarantee of being in the Oireachtas or in government after the next election, but the issue will certainly have to be dealt with by any coalition that is in place. It is high...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: Why is it not a union?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: May I make a suggestion? The association should become a union.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: It is just an observation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: I am not-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: I did not ask Mr. Varley a question, but he can proceed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: I understand that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: It is an observation, and I believe it would help the association. I strongly suggest it do that, for many reasons that we do not have time to discuss here. I believe it is a weakness that it does not do it. It is a weakness on many levels. I wish to refer to different areas because I agree with many of the comments earlier, so I do not wish to waste my time by dealing with the same...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: Does the association agree with taking private practice out of public hospitals?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: Can Mr. Varley answer the question? I am on the clock so perhaps the witnesses could keep their replies concise, as I have a number of questions. In principle, does Mr. Varley agree with taking private practice out of public hospitals?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: It was a cross-party committee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Workforce Planning in the Health Sector: Discussion (9 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: I was not aware of that.

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