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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I know.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is not the question. I hear that and I have listened very carefully to the replies. What I am asking is a different question. Why would that agent or investor be allowed to take in money from other individuals for a project when there has been no sight of the original €20 million from, we will say, ten investors?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: What if one of them did not co-operate at all?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Could money not be found?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: It did not go into the projects. Is it not the case that there have been cases where investors or agents have continued taking in money that was supposed to go into projects? I have copies of correspondence from an official in Mr. O'Connor's Department-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes, unless what somebody gave me is fraudulent. It shows that there are investors who put in money. The money does not go into the project, but what appears to have happened are situations where that agent was allowed to continue, investors were allowed to continue, the projects were kept open, and the money was still being put forward by some of these international investors. This was...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: The letters from Mr. O'Connor's Department would indicate that one could not just disagree.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I know that, okay. I accept that.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Mr. O'Connor should talk about cases.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: That has happened in all cases, from correspondence I have seen.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: However, where a scheme hits a brick wall, the scheme should not continue.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes, sorry. Projects should not continue.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Where there is 100% concern, and there is nothing coming back, what happens? There is no money.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: If there was no money and no responses, Mr. O'Connor. Come on.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I am talking about a hypothetical situation. Is Mr. O'Connor saying to me that the Department, where there is no response from one of these agents and where we have not seen the colour of the money-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: -----would allow this scheme to continue?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Paused.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: Could Ms McPhillips maybe let the committee know how many projects have been paused?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: There should not be any problem with that. It is just a number.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank Ms McPhillips.

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