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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: It could also be the case that perhaps there was an overhang of legal costs that just landed in that year. I do not know but there might be a reason for it. On the face of it, however, that is an isolated case that looks very bad. Ultimately, there is over 60% on top of the compensation awards that goes on legal costs. It is very high in comparison to other-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: You can send us an information note on it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am curious about something on page 13 in the accounts. This crops up quite often and we have queried it with the HSE. The Garda paid €6 million in advance for ICT skilled resources payments. Why pay so much in advance?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am concerned about that. The Garda is making a payment to an ICT company, probably one of the biggest companies in the world, that does not really need it. How do we know that we got delivery of the €6 million worth of product when it is prepaid? The witnesses may say there was a schedule of payments but this committee is getting very concerned about prepayments and advance...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Garda might send us a note in that regard about the €6 million. It relates to 2017. Was it contracted for delivery and received?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: A note will suffice. It is an issue that has cropped up in several meetings and it is not specific to the Comptroller and Auditor General. The next issue might require legislative change, which might be the answer. In one's local District Court, one will see 20 gardaí. Is it not possible for the station sergeant to give the evidence on behalf of all the station's gardaí,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Harris might send us a note in that regard.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: If there is a legislative reason it cannot be done, that is our fault rather than the Garda's. I wish only to clarify the issue. People often find the following matter curious. The Garda received an income of €83,000, effectively as commission for collecting insurance premiums on behalf of insurance companies. Is that car insurance or something else? Why is the Garda collecting...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are happy with that. The figure jumps out at me. Perhaps somebody was charged with not paying insurance and handed the money to the Garda to pay over. It appears in the accounts every year but it is unusual. It is listed under income received by An Garda Síochána. The Garda might revert to us with a note in that regard. Does the Garda provide escorts for the movement of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Garda does not charge for it anymore.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: Why do the banks receive the service for free from the taxpayer to protect their money, given that they paid for it a couple of years ago? I accept the Garda's argument that there is a public interest in ensuring the money is not stolen, in case it makes its way into the wrong hands.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is limited at this stage.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is reduced.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Garda's interaction with the OPW was mentioned. I got the impression the Garda might prefer to handle some of the smaller matters. If a door breaks in a Garda station, does the OPW have to fix it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Garda can send me a note on the following matter, although our guests might smile. I have tabled a series of parliamentary questions to the OPW and the Minister for Justice and Equality about the canine unit. I understand that the Garda has a policy of trying to house Garda dogs in the properties of their handlers in order that they will have a good relationship.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have followed the matter for a year or two. The Department of Justice and Equality had approved the initiative, as had the Garda and the OPW. I am now told that the cost to the OPW, for what one would have thought was a minor issue, is quite high. I accept that the OPW has to do whatever it must and that people have different types of properties. I have been told that the OPW has done...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am delighted to hear it. I hope the members of the canine unit are listening.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: They have been onto me too.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Garda might send a note on the Laois-Offaly division Garda headquarters, in which I, like everyone else, have an interest. I know there is a proposal for a major extension to the division headquarters in Portlaoise. I will not delay the meeting but the Garda might send an update in writing. We will adjourn until 16 May, when we will resume our examination of the financial statements...

Written Answers — Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Animal Welfare Bodies (9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: 125. To ask the Minister for Agriculture, Food and the Marine if animal and dog sanctuaries can re-home dogs without the consent of the owner who leaves dogs in for fostering; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [20244/19]

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