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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: I did not ask Mr. McCarthy that. I am sure there are. I am telling him the delay is inordinate and asking him whether it is unacceptable. Does he agree - "Yes" or "No"?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: Will the Chair direct Mr. McCarthy to answer "Yes" or "No" to that question?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: The question I posed has a "Yes" or "No" answer. I will pose it again. The delay in implementing the recommendations is inordinate and unacceptable. Would Mr. McCarthy agree?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: Mr. McCarthy agrees. He said, "I would agree". That will do, Chair, because I have limited time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: Mr. McCarthy could and would agree because it is inordinate and unacceptable. I will move on because there are a number of other issues that are clearly unacceptable as well. There was €95 million returned from the budget. Can Mr. McCarthy explain that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: The Department's Estimates were not off.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: That is fine.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: Having said that, we were in extraordinary times. Was there no mention of a virement? We were severely lacking in respite beds. As a matter of fact, I dealt with Tusla at the time because we had families with foster children with autism issues who needed a break during Covid. Would the Department not have suggested that the money would have been diverted to those services?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: Was there any suggestion that the Department should say it would not and that it would just give the money back?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: I understand. I am asking whether there was a suggestion of virement.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: I am aware of the range of demands; I am just wondering how come none of them actually warranted extra money and that the money went back. That is why I am asking. What made the Department send it back as opposed to giving into the demands around, for example, respite beds?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: That is not what I asked Mr. McCarthy but anyway, it does not seem to matter what I ask. With regard to Pobal, a report in the appropriation account for 2021 references a review that was carried out as to the service level agreements with the Department and Pobal. Who carried out the review?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: I asked who carried out the review.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: Collectively. An outside party was not brought in to do it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: What were the main recommendations from the review? Has it been completed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: What were the main recommendations?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: What were they?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: There are enough officials here; somebody must know.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: Thank you, Chair. Is it correct that the Department has an audit committee?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
Chapter 13 - Guardian Ad Litem Follow-up Report
(27 Oct 2022)

Verona Murphy: How many members are appointed to the committee and how often does it meet?

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