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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is the Department working on the basis that it is a now-or-never thing and that it will happen this year?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: How much?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: The gap is being funded by direct subvention at the moment. Last year, we had a Supplementary Estimate. Does Ms Licken have concerns about the situation I outlined in which RTÉ has run a deficit in five of the last six years? The organisation's income is down by in the region of €100 million over a six-year period, costs have gone up by approximately €30 million, the...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: My concern is that between the Department, Coimisiún na Meán and the board of RTÉ things could move and everybody is responsible but no one is responsible. I am not saying that is the base but Ms Licken will know herself the way it works with different organisations when more people are responsible. That is not an argument against it and I understand why they are there....

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: The total figure for the licence fee was €194 million. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: Yes, €151 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: That adds up to just over €200 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: There is then the €15 million figure.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: As the Chair of the Committee of Public Accounts, the particular reason I have for raising this matter is that the overall picture looks very shaky and needs correction.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: May I go back to the funding for sports? There was €165 million allocated for that by the Department in 2021, but the budget was €140 million, so there is a significant increase of €25 million. What accounted for that or what was happening there? I am thinking of 2021, during which a lot of the sports operations were not under way because of Covid and all that. What...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: So it was funding to various facilities.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: I just want to get an account of the figure.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is okay. I accept that. If I could dwell on the FAI for a moment, it made a recent submission on funding from the horse and greyhound racing fund. What level of engagement does the Department have with the FAI in regard to its submission for funding from that fund?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: It made a submission on it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: To follow on with the FAI, as I understand it, there was a loss in 2019 of €5.1 million. Is Mr. Ó Lionáin aware of whether there were losses in each of the subsequent years and in the past three years as well? Was there an operational loss?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: The question is whether there were losses over the past three years.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: If the funding from the Government was removed incrementally, would the FAI have been running at a loss for the past three years?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: As the assistant secretary in that section, is Mr. Ó Lionáin concerned about the losses?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: I refer to the overall sustainability of the operation.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 33 - Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 4: Re-allocation of Voted Funding
(22 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: What about the remaining 50 or 60 measures?

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