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Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: Will all these vehicles be replaced in 2015 as scheduled?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: We will move on to subhead A7, aircraft, which is €2.281 million. The additional requirement is due mainly to the replacement or upgrade of equipment and the Garda aircraft.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: Is anybody else offering? As nobody is offering, we will move to subhead A8, superannuation. There is €2.7 million required there, due to more lump sums falling due for payment in 2015 than provided for, including a carryover of payments from the end of 2014. This is people retiring.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: Deputy O'Dowd moved very cleverly from pensions to the training of recruits.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: As a matter of interest, we had a Private Members' Bill last week on abolishing mandatory retirement. It was mentioned that in other countries people are not asked for their age and they do not have to retire if they do not want to - they can carry on working. It was an interesting Bill, which got unanimous support, and we had some very powerful presentations. In light of Deputy O'Dowd's...

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: How many more gardaí retired than anticipated? The document states, "The additional requirement is due to more lump sum payments falling due for payment in 2015 than provided including a carryover of payments from the end of 2014".

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: On page 6, subhead A6 there is a saving of €1.7 million, which is to be reallocated from a subhead. It relates mainly to the capital expenditure on communications equipment which has been reprioritised to offset additional ICT investment. Are there any comments or questions on it?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: Under subhead A9, there was a relatively small saving on witnesses' expenses. It is a demand-led scheme and is very hard to predict. There was a saving of €155,000. Under subhead A10, there was a saving of €2.722 million in compensation due to a reduced number of larger awards falling due for payment in the current year. Subhead A12 was an underspend on the capital building...

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: The next subhead is B, appropriations-in-aid. These include additional pension related contributions directly related to payroll and pension costs of approximately €4 million with the balance spread across a number of other non-pay receipt headings such as firearms and cash escort services.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: If it is related to appropriations-in-aid, it is in order. If not, the Deputy should hold it.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: This is a Supplementary Estimate whereby more money is being allocated to certain subheads, money has been saved on other subheads and the Exchequer is allocating extra funds to make up the balance.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: When we deal with the Estimates, the Deputy's issues can come into the debate. This is an extra bit of funding at the end of the year.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: I would prefer if we would stick with the subhead with which we are dealing.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: We are a long way from appropriations-in-aid. Let us try to stick with it. We are almost at the end of this Vote. What is the final net figure when we take into account the extra spend needed and the savings? Is there a balance to be made up by the Exchequer?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: That is €32.5 million extra?

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: I thank the Minister. We will move on to Vote 21 - prisons. With regard to subhead A1, administration and pay, there is an extra cost to payroll of €5 million. If any members wish to comment it is on page 12 of the notes.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: We are talking about additional payroll costs.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: The Deputy is completely off the topic. Allow me to help, if I can.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: This topic is to do with the €5 million extra which is required to meet payroll costs for serving prison staff, it is nothing to do with gardaí.

Select Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Estimates for Public Services 2015
Vote 20: An Garda Síochána (Supplementary)
Vote 21 - Prisons (Supplementary)
(2 Dec 2015)

David Stanton: Subhead A1, administration and pay. It has to do with extra prison officers.

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