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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: We need a detailed report on this. This is an issue that came to light three years ago. We have information signed off over a year ago. However, I do not get much sense of an update in the last 12 months. I am concerned and I do not know why it has taken so long. I understand the difficulty of letters coming back but, in fairness to the people, the Garda has to make an extra effort. I...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is three years on. It seems very slow. I ask the Garda to give us an update in writing on this topic. I can say no more today except to send us on a report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: Are there any requests for compensation as result of this?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is it appropriate for An Garda Síochána to ask GSOC in order that we can get the information through it? GSOC is not before the committee. We will send a letter; I just wonder what is the right sequence.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will do it in the correct sequence.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will get an update, whether it comes from An Garda Síochána or GSOC. We will work out to whom to write.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: The committee can ask.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will try to finish by lunchtime.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: I call Deputy Jonathan O'Brien.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: Deputy, a vote has been called in the House.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have a few questions and we will try to conclude the meeting shortly. Regarding the peak demand on the police service during the course of a week or month, is it the usual Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights or are there other times?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: How do you match your roster of officers on duty to the peak demand? There is always the question of-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is the obvious question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is a cliché but one often hears people say that on Saturday nights when there are many issues sometimes the gardaí are stretched, yet one sees plenty of them on Sunday morning when people are going to church. Does the Commissioner understand my point about the roster?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: That would be the key to utilisation of resources.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: There have often been reports about the CSO being unable to accept the reliability of figures that come from An Garda Síochána on various matters, that it cannot stand over them and often sends them back. Can you send us a note on any sets of information that the Garda is currently collecting and which the CSO is not satisfied to publish in its statistics? It is something we hear...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is not good for anybody if one cannot rely on the figures of the police force.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is an effort to bring improvement-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: Representatives of the CSO have appeared before the committee. If something comes from the CSO there is unanimous acceptance of it. It would strengthen your work if your statistics had the CSO stamp as well.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Seán Fleming: I wish to raise a few matters from the accounts before us. Page 25 refers to compensation and legal costs. During the year in question the compensation awards were €9.8 million and the legal costs associated with that were almost two thirds of that figure at €6 million. There is a heading included that refers to civilian claims by members of the public arising from actions of...

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