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Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: I must interrupt the Deputy. The Chair has no jurisdiction whatsoever in respect of order in the matter of Seanad amendments. That is a constitutional position. In debating amendments such as this, the Member is confined to the amendment and may refer to the section only in so far as it is affected by the amendment. Discussion, in effect, is extremely limited and is confined to the...

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: I do not like to interrupt the Deputy but we cannot discuss the Bill now as we must deal with the amendment and there is no discretion involved.

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: Deputy Gilmore, we cannot discuss the Bill. I have no discretion. The amendment provides for the laying of the scheme before the Houses and the methodology and the scope of doing this unfortunately cannot be discussed now nor can the legislation itself be discussed. I must confine myself to the amendments in from the Seanad because there is a constitutional imperative.

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: I cannot allow this to continue Deputy. It is out of order, unfortunately, and I have to interpret the Standing Orders.

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: That would not be in order either. The scope of the scheme is not an issue. The question in accordance with the amendment which the Deputy wishes to addresses is that of laying the scheme before the House, not its methodology, scope or content.

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: I have no choice in this.

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: I have no interest in arguing with the Deputy. The point is that the Standing Order provides that a debate on a Seanad amendment must be strictly relevant. There is nothing I can do about that. I have given much latitude in the debate on previous Stages. This time I am confined because if I do not enforce this a precedent will be set, which I cannot do.

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: Will the Deputy return to the amendment?

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: The Deputy has long experience in the House and knows it would not be fair to the successors of this Chair or the House itself if I did not strictly adhere to the Standing Order in this instance. I insist the Deputy speaks to the amendment.

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: Will the Deputy return to the amendment?

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: We now only have 34 minutes remaining for debate.

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: Deputy Gilmore, eight Members are offering and we must be fair to them as well.

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: If Members wish to change Standing Orders, I am quite happy to do so. However, that is not the position. I call on Deputy Caoimhghín Ó Caoláin. Please try to address yourself to the amendment and understand my position.

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: No. Sorry Deputy, but we must stick to the amendment. You have heard me speak about this to Deputy Eamon Gilmore.

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: I have no choice and I must enforce Standing Orders.

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: The Deputy has gone off on a generality.

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: We must address the question of the laying of the scheme before the House.

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: You must stick with the amendment Deputy.

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: Of course, but stick to the amendment.

Credit Institutions (Financial Support) Bill 2008: From the Seanad (2 Oct 2008)

John O'Donoghue: The Deputy cannot start a Second Stage speech. I have said already that I must adhere to Standing Orders in this instance.

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