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Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: That is not what we are saying.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: If the Minister continues as he is, some of us might feel like heading that way.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: Like Senator McDowell, the reason the debate is proceeding slowly is the Minister seems to be incapable of accepting that the Opposition might have a decent idea about this issue which is actually different from his. He seems to have a need to use words like "realism,""vacuity" and so on with great enthusiasm. There are more ways than one of being vacuous and unhelpful. Producing complicated...

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: I will make a deal with the Acting Chairman. If he asks the Minister to stop using words like "vacuous" and so on, I will stop talking about the reason we are all a bit irritable over here.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: It is a reasonable position. The Minister can suddenly have a little humility and realise he was dead late—

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: —and depended on the good nature of the Cathaoirleach to accept his amendment, as we all have from time to time. The reason the matter is in this state tonight is it deserved to be dealt with maturely with some time for the Opposition to think about what the Government was trying to do.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: When I conduct a filibuster, Senator Mansergh will know about it. This is not a filibuster. The Senator is not here long enough to know what a filibuster is, but I can conduct one. A Member on his side of the House spoke for 26 hours one day.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: I ask the Minister to come back to the question of the reason he engaged us in this issue about the point of embarkation when the legislation for which he is responsible deals with people on board the vehicles in question. Why will he not deal with what is included in the Bill, that is, people on board vehicles? He has repeatedly used the argument that this is the only country which does not...

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: As the Minister knows and many have explained, the Dublin Convention has not worked. Therefore, to try to use as an argument something that has never worked, never been applied and never been tested is vacuous. We are talking here about people who will have no documents. That is the fundamental reality – the Minister has spoken a lot about getting real. In every conflict in the world, of...

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: I am not. The Minister and Senator Mansergh raised the issue of asylum seekers and documents.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: I am about to conclude in the face of the Acting Chairman's considerable tolerance. This is not just a Labour Party argument. All the arguments about the complexities and difficulties of the legislation have been articulated by virtually every voluntary group in the State concerned about the rights of asylum seekers. These are people who work with asylum seekers, care and provide services for...

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: I am not sure if the Senator is insulting me or the Minister.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: Does it say that in the Bill?

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: There is no mention of check-in desks in our amendment.

Seanad: Order of Business. (12 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: I support the comments of Senator Brian Hayes. The tragedy in County Monaghan is of a scale and intensity that deserves an immediate explanation. We have a flawed system of waiting for the conclusions of a detailed investigation in order to defuse the issue. We should be made aware immediately of the information the Minister and the relevant health board have to hand. If there are gaps or...

Seanad: Order of Business. (11 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: As I have already informed the Leader, we will not agree to the Order of Business. The Leader's position on this has been entirely honourable and I am not accusing her of anything else. When we discussed this informally last week, the Leader, other Members and I were under the impression this was a simple Bill to deal with the possible extinguishing of large numbers of planning permissions by...

Seanad: Order of Business. (11 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: No. The Leader suggested that all Stages be completed by 2 o'clock today.

Seanad: Order of Business. (11 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: I propose that we commence Committee Stage and do no more than that.

Seanad: Order of Business. (11 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: On the Order of Business, the Leader has proposed that all Stages be taken today. If I agree to the Order of Business, I am agreeing that all Stages be taken today and I do not agree to that.

Seanad: Order of Business. (11 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: Yes. Apart from that I want to raise two brief issues.

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