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Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Is the Department of Health monitoring how many placements are in each area across every single service provision?

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Okay. I know I am way over time-----

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: -----but can I just say one thing? Is Ms McArdle telling me then that the Department of Health has a sense of the situation across all the service providers? Let us take Gardiner Street as an example and say there are 320 of these placements on that street. Would the Department of Health have a sense of that and the kind of social impact such a number of placements is going to have on that...

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: The answer is "No", is it?

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: In certain areas. If everyone ends up in Gardiner Street, that is just luck of the draw.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: The local community health organisations are telling me they have no control because the money comes and no one is saying this street is over the top.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: I know. That is the problem.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: I disagree with you on your narrow definition. I can tell Mr. Doyle that is not how it really works on the ground. There are multiple agencies which are putting transition units in place, basically. It is all being focused in certain areas.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: It is not compulsory for the person. However, if the person does not want a conviction, there is a huge enticement for them to say they will go to this health-lead scheme. That means that the person in active addiction who desperately needs that place might not get it. Does Mr. Ryan take my point?

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: With a justice-led approach-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: When did the Department's team start to work on this Bill?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: We are taking a punt that it is 2020. I am just trying to get a sense whether this is a stepping stone towards the statutory right. This piece took four years to get to here, which, obviously, is not quite halfway through the process. It is not the full process. I am trying to get a sense of how long it might take for that incredibly complex piece of work subsequent to this to be done....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Ms Larthwell can see that there is differentiation in reality both recognised by the State and in terms of the requirements of that cohort. The Department of Health has a requirement to provide services to that older persons sector and that responsibility is borne by a different Department for people with disabilities. Is that creating a structural issue with the completion of this Bill? In...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: I do not understand that differentiation and I ask Ms Larthwell to unpack it for me.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: That is despite the ratification of the UNCRPD which creates that differentiation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: However, the Bill covers people who will be in the role of providing services to persons with disabilities.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Has the Department undertaken a full legal review of whether the Bill conforms to and vindicates the UNCRPD?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Has the Department for disability undertaken a review of whether the Bill conforms to the UNCRPD?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: I ask Professor O'Sullivan to read into the record some of the concerns of people with disabilities on this Bill.

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