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Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: Could the Acting Chairman allow Senator Noone finish her point?

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: I accept that.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: May I respond?

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: I am only participating on this section. I am not participating in the other Stages because I totally oppose the Bill.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: I will explain why I will speak in this case. I am not participating, except on this section, for a particular reason. I believe a conscientious objection is an honourable thing to have and I will explain why. I take that view in respect of pharmacists, doctors and attendants who bring the patient to the operating theatre. They can conscientiously object and say they will not do that. I...

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: It might be Senator Norris's problem too. I fully support the idea of conscientious objection because 35 years ago I voted for the eighth amendment. Senator Norris should not be sniffy about it. That Bill was an effort to save the lives of the unborn. Some 139 Deputies voted in favour and 11 voted against. Only six Members of that Dáil are still there and only one Member of the...

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: Thirty five years later I feel very privileged to be a Member of Seanad Éireann and to uphold the objectives of the eighth amendment to prevent abortions, only in accordance with the wording then agreed. What was lacking in that Bill was that guidelines should have been issued and ministerial orders should have been prepared to assist the work of the medical profession in that regard....

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: The Minister can say all he likes. It is a fact that he is pushing this Bill through that has unlimited access-----

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: I have read everything about it.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: Ah, go away out of that.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: The Senator is not objecting to the fact-----

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: Senator Bacik is not objecting-----

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: Let us deal with the amendment. It is conscientious objection. Is that correct? What if a pharmacist or a young porter working in a hospital has a conscientious objection to participating? Has my microphone been turned off?

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: Am I being censored or something?

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: I need two at this stage.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: People seem to forget this point: this was voted by 140 Members of Dáil Éireann and it was put into the Constitution.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: "The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect-----"

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: Do not get so emotional.

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: The greatest-----

Seanad: Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Bill 2018: Report and Final Stages (13 Dec 2018)

Terry Leyden: Excuse me-----

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