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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: It would seem to jar with Dr. de Buitléir's report.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: This is a significant moment for the committee. In fairness to the witnesses, the report is excellent, but this was not part of Dr. de Buitléir's terms of reference. The Government has committed to implementing this report, the Minister said he supported it, but now its author, in a personal capacity, has articulated the question: what is the point in having these facilities if we are...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: I understand that, but personal views are important. We all have personal views.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: We have had the consultants' representatives before the committee. I do not wish to make generalisations because consultants have many different opinions, to which they are entitled, but there will be some opposition to going down the proposed route. Dealing with the pay issue will help considerably. There is significant support for dealing with that issue, recruitment and retention and so...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: Rightly so. I agree with them.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: Dr. de Buitléir made a specific point about that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: Restricted, specialised posts.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: As per my question, we know about the pay issue, but is there any-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: I agree. It is also a matter of working conditions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: Would it be fair to say that dealing with the new consultants' entry pay levels, specialised posts and so on in tandem with working conditions would have to happen over the timeframe we are discussing?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: Did Dr. de Buitléir come across any other issues besides that? No significant ideological-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: I know, and I believe it is a small number of people because I have met all the groups. What I am trying to get at, though, is the level of resistance there would be from those who are bringing in quite significant amounts from private practice on top of public contracts. Basically, the pay level Dr. de Buitléir talked about which-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: I accept that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: I have only one more question. It concerns something I speak about a little and something I was very much taken aback by. Is the move of HIQA into all healthcare settings contingent? As for the jigsaw of sorting this out, does Dr. de Buitléir feel that this is a significant factor? From the point of view of the timeframe, does he feel that doing this, ramping up to it and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: That is what I wanted to know.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: I agree.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: Is data.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: Dumb data in, dumb data out.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Private Activity in Public Hospitals: Discussion (23 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: The full collated data are not available.

Acknowledgement and Apology to Women and Families affected by CervicalCheck Debacle: Statements (22 Oct 2019)

Alan Kelly: When Vicky Phelan stood outside the High Court in April last year, following her decision not to sign a confidentiality agreement regarding her case, she changed Irish healthcare provision forever. Her campaign for justice since then has been one of the most courageous any of us has ever seen and certainly the most courageous I have ever seen. When she, along with her fellow campaigner,...

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