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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection - Social Insurance Fund 2021
Chapter 10: Regularity of social welfare payments
Chapter 11: The recovery of benefit and assistance payments following compensation awards
Chapter 14: Classification of workers for PRSI purposes
(1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: It is an obvious one because of the number of people's records the Department holds, and because of the budget the Department has.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection - Social Insurance Fund 2021
Chapter 10: Regularity of social welfare payments
Chapter 11: The recovery of benefit and assistance payments following compensation awards
Chapter 14: Classification of workers for PRSI purposes
(1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I will keep this short and ask Mr. McKeon to keep his replies short too. On the public services card, is it the case that the Data Protection Commissioner, DPC, visited D'Olier Street in March of this year and looked at the biometric nature of the data and the Department then had to follow up with responses? I understand that was done a few months ago, in July or August. The Department...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection - Social Insurance Fund 2021
Chapter 10: Regularity of social welfare payments
Chapter 11: The recovery of benefit and assistance payments following compensation awards
Chapter 14: Classification of workers for PRSI purposes
(1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Has there been any indication from the DPC of when the report will be ready? Are we likely to see it before Christmas?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection - Social Insurance Fund 2021
Chapter 10: Regularity of social welfare payments
Chapter 11: The recovery of benefit and assistance payments following compensation awards
Chapter 14: Classification of workers for PRSI purposes
(1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Neither do I. If the findings are adverse in relation to biometrics, is there a plan B with regard to the information contained on the public services card?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection - Social Insurance Fund 2021
Chapter 10: Regularity of social welfare payments
Chapter 11: The recovery of benefit and assistance payments following compensation awards
Chapter 14: Classification of workers for PRSI purposes
(1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Why is the DPC conducting an investigation specifically around biometrics?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection - Social Insurance Fund 2021
Chapter 10: Regularity of social welfare payments
Chapter 11: The recovery of benefit and assistance payments following compensation awards
Chapter 14: Classification of workers for PRSI purposes
(1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: The DPC is not short of work. We can see that from the big fines it imposed this week. It is not short of work and is not looking for things to do. Why would it be doing this if it did not have a concern about biometrics?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection - Social Insurance Fund 2021
Chapter 10: Regularity of social welfare payments
Chapter 11: The recovery of benefit and assistance payments following compensation awards
Chapter 14: Classification of workers for PRSI purposes
(1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, but Mr. McKeon knows the questions that the DPC has asked.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection - Social Insurance Fund 2021
Chapter 10: Regularity of social welfare payments
Chapter 11: The recovery of benefit and assistance payments following compensation awards
Chapter 14: Classification of workers for PRSI purposes
(1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I will move on now to another issue which has become apparent to us through our constituency offices. Sometimes lots of similar cases are brought to us and we can see trends. That is currently the case with regard to domiciliary care allowance, DCA, payments. In the first instance, there seems to be a very high level of refusals. We have had people coming to our offices in tears and so...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection - Social Insurance Fund 2021
Chapter 10: Regularity of social welfare payments
Chapter 11: The recovery of benefit and assistance payments following compensation awards
Chapter 14: Classification of workers for PRSI purposes
(1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I have seen all of that information being included in an initial application and the application still being refused.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection - Social Insurance Fund 2021
Chapter 10: Regularity of social welfare payments
Chapter 11: The recovery of benefit and assistance payments following compensation awards
Chapter 14: Classification of workers for PRSI purposes
(1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: The same information was provided on the applications that were approved on review-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection - Social Insurance Fund 2021
Chapter 10: Regularity of social welfare payments
Chapter 11: The recovery of benefit and assistance payments following compensation awards
Chapter 14: Classification of workers for PRSI purposes
(1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I can only say-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection - Social Insurance Fund 2021
Chapter 10: Regularity of social welfare payments
Chapter 11: The recovery of benefit and assistance payments following compensation awards
Chapter 14: Classification of workers for PRSI purposes
(1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I know of people with claims going way back. I regularly work with the DCA Warriors and deal with cases all of the time. I do not think my office is very different from other Deputies' offices and I see a very high level of refusal on first application.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection - Social Insurance Fund 2021
Chapter 10: Regularity of social welfare payments
Chapter 11: The recovery of benefit and assistance payments following compensation awards
Chapter 14: Classification of workers for PRSI purposes
(1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Is Mr. McKeon saying that 85% of domiciliary care allowance claims are awarded-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection - Social Insurance Fund 2021
Chapter 10: Regularity of social welfare payments
Chapter 11: The recovery of benefit and assistance payments following compensation awards
Chapter 14: Classification of workers for PRSI purposes
(1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Will Mr. McKeon drill down into that data for me?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection - Social Insurance Fund 2021
Chapter 10: Regularity of social welfare payments
Chapter 11: The recovery of benefit and assistance payments following compensation awards
Chapter 14: Classification of workers for PRSI purposes
(1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I am quite shocked by the extent of the information that is given.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 37 - Social Protection - Social Insurance Fund 2021
Chapter 10: Regularity of social welfare payments
Chapter 11: The recovery of benefit and assistance payments following compensation awards
Chapter 14: Classification of workers for PRSI purposes
(1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Does that include reviews?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: This relates to investigations undertaken by the Garda into the liquidation of a cash-in-transit company for which money was collected from racecourses and went missing. The reply says the investigation was assigned to the Garda National Economic Crime Bureau. There was a further update that, on 10 November, it went to the serious economic crime investigation unit. I ask that we write back...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I ask that we write to CIÉ regarding the paragraph just before the table at the bottom to ask what the advertising income is. We have it from the NTA but not from CIÉ.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: According to the correspondence, regardless of whether it is a penalty relating to subsectional completion of works or the date of substantial completion, insofar as the application of liquidated ascertained damages is concerned, the same principle applies, in that the NPHDB is technically entitled to refer a claim under subclause 10.9 of the contract for moneys it asserts are due, owing in...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (1 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Confusing.

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