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Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: So Mr. O'Brien has no accountability.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: But when Mr. O'Brien-----

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: No, it is not. Mr. O'Brien is in charge of the health service. What is crystal clear in advance of any scoping exercise is that we have had a systemic failure and a national health crisis that, to my mind at 44 years of age, is the worst in the history of the State. We know that now and Mr. O'Brien is in charge. How is his position tenable?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: We know that.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Let us use the analogy of the company that Mr. O'Brien has stepped back from as a non-executive director. If the contraceptives it manufactured were faulty, the matter was all over "60 Minutes" and he as a board member called on the CEO to attend a board meeting and explain the situation, could Mr. O'Brien see himself as a non-executive director of a commercial entity telling the CEO not to...

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: The response yesterday was to decline respectfully the invitation to resign.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Success has 1,000 fathers. We are talking about failures. An entire nation of women are terrified. We have heard the harrowing story of Ms Phelan. This morning we heard the harrowing story of this lady. She is 37 years of age and is afraid her baby will not remember her. Mr. O'Brien is implying that the HSE set up a system, that the system did a lot of good work and that there were some...

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: -----and I put it to him that it is not acceptable. That is the implication.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: In fairness-----

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: None of this is personal-----

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: -----but we do have to hold people to account. It seems there is zero accountability. Mr. O'Brien wants to claim credit for the successes, but when the wheels come off and people start dying, and when a nation of women are terrified this morning, he wants to say that the HSE has done a lot of good work and that we should have a scoping exercise.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: When he is safely in some boardroom in the USA, as he was permitted to by the Minister, he will find out what really happened. It is not personal but today, in the here and now, Mr. O'Brien is in charge of a €13 billion budget and the reality is that we have had gross systemic failure and that people are dying and he is telling me that I am making these statements based on a false premise.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Well he is wrong.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Ms Mhic Mhathúna, who spoke on the radio this morning, does not have time to wait. She said she is too angry to worry about dying and we are in here kicking a football around about having an investigation and seeing what happened. Where is the accountability? As I said to Mr. O'Brien, when he enters the commercial world in a few months' time or a few weeks' time, whenever it may be,...

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Clearly.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: So is Mr. O'Brien saying that Ms Mhic Mhathúna's and Ms Phelan's situations are within the acceptable margin of error?

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: If I want to talk to him I will do so later on. We will have time because he is going to be here later.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: No problem. I thank the Vice Chairman. I will come back in on the next round if I may.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I did not say that.

Public Accounts Committee: State Claims, Management of Legal Costs and Policy on Open Disclosure
Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE
(10 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I did not say that.

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