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Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage (Resumed). (19 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: It would be very simple—

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage (Resumed). (19 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: I appreciate that, and the Chair's indulgence, or rather his patience, if not his indulgence, or at least his silence, if not his patience.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage (Resumed). (19 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: I would not dream of doing so, especially this morning. It would be very simple to draft legislation which made clear what procedures a commercial carrier had to operate in good faith before he or she brought anyone into the State. The legislation would state he or she was under a legal obligation to ensure certain things. The Bill before the House criminalises people unnecessarily. With the...

Seanad: Order of Business. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: I am delighted everybody is now of the view that we should appoint a Garda ombudsman, an idea first put forward by my party approximately two years ago.

Seanad: Order of Business. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: Not for the first time Senator Norris's wit gets in the way of the facts. I was a member of the party at the time.

Seanad: Order of Business. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: My party produced the detailed proposals for it. If all the people who agreed with my party voted for it, I would probably be sitting in the Leader's seat.

Seanad: Order of Business. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: The Leader would be sitting in my place. We like to discuss many things that happen in the world. There is something particularly offensive about the Chairman of the Palestinian Authority being refused permission to attend mass in Bethlehem on Christmas Day. I suggest that the leaders of all the groups in the House sign a motion to be passed without debate tomorrow morning calling on the...

Seanad: Order of Business. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: I know, but I am entitled to a full list of amendments on a yellow sheet which the staff of the House work very hard to produce. That list has not been produced.

Seanad: Order of Business. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: The gist of the amendments is contained in this morning's newspapers, but they are not available in proper form in the House. I suggest the Government, or the Minister involved, has decided that the media is a more important forum than the Oireachtas in terms of discussing these amendments. That is as close to contempt for the House as a Minister can display. It is not impossible to deal with...

Seanad: Order of Business. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: The Government has let the House down. A protest should be sent, through the Cathaoirleach, in this regard. Government Departments have the resources to produce amendments on time. If they cannot do so, they should request that business be postponed. The idea of Government submitting amendments late, over-working staff in the House and leaving the Opposition in a position of considerable...

Seanad: Order of Business. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: I am just ambitious.

Seanad: Statute Law (Restatement) Bill, 2000 [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil]: Report and Final Stages. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: We have no difficulty with the amendments. Members of the House frequently assert that because they are not lawyers they are unable to give full consideration to legislation of this kind. They should not make such statements because we are more than lawyers, we are law makers. We should not apologise to lawyers for our range of skills, which are deeper and more profound than theirs. I am glad...

Seanad: Statute Law (Restatement) Bill, 2000 [Seanad Bill amended by the Dáil]: Report and Final Stages. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: Perhaps the Minister of State should join us some time.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: On a point of order, a Chathaoirligh, under Standing Order 63 I wish to move that the House report progress. We have been presented with extraordinarily complex Government amendments which did not arrive in a proper form until approximately 4 p.m. today. They were not available to Members of this group until late yesterday evening. Therefore, to proceed with the business of the House in this...

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: Are you suggesting that I am being either dilatory or obstructive, a Chathaoirligh? We are saying that the Minister was dilatory in producing these amendments.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: I am asking you, a Chathaoirligh, to accept a motion in my name that we report progress.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: Under Standing Order 63, a Chathaoirligh, there are only two reasons why you cannot allow me to move the motion.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: It is difficult to respond to this matter with the degree of restraint that I would normally like to display, because of the contempt with which the House has been treated by the Minister. Complicated amendments have been produced at short notice by a Government that has resources at its disposal. My party, which has limited resources, produced amendments to the Bill six days ago.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: With all due respect, I was reasonable on the Order of Business. I am entitled to express my opinion about the manner in which this business is being conducted.

Seanad: Immigration Bill, 2002: Committee Stage. (18 Dec 2002)

Brendan Ryan: I wish to give notice that as this legislation is so complex we will not agree to any grouping of amendments. That is our privilege.

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