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Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: This may just be the tip of the iceberg if matters had gone so far that expenses like that could be authorised without question. Is there anyone else who was around at that stage who could shed some light as to how the process worked?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: How was it authorised?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: Normally, there is a requisition or some document that is signed and co-signed if there is a trip away or where taxpayers' money is being spent under any heading. Usually, there is detailed paperwork that is checked and safeguards are in place to ensure money is not being misappropriated and the reason for a trip is clear and documented. I do not understand how this happened. Someone has...

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: However, there is no detail of that.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: Whose job is that? Who is going to take responsibility for the lack of procedures or controls? Was Mr. Merrick the chairperson at that time?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: But we are still not sure how it happened.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: I refer to the different buildings we lease or occupy. At page 23 of the financial statements at A, B and C, there is a list of the various buildings that are occupied. The rents on some of them seems very high. The further education centre in Arklow costs €250,000 in annual rent which seems like a huge sum. Can I have a bit of background to a sum of that magnitude? Are there...

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: Is the ETB satisfied with it?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: If we come back and start answering.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: My time is running out and I would like answers to the specific questions, if possible. To take the example of the building in Arklow, do we occupy the full space?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: How big is it?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: Do we have an independent valuation on file to certify it is a market rent?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: When were the valuations done?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: It still seems an extraordinary amount of money.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: The commitment is until 2031. Has the lease been signed until 2031?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: The ETB has committed to that rent until that date.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: I presume there are valuations to back them up for all of the buildings being rented.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: It may be part of the process but does Ms Murphy have them?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: Is there somebody who could commit on every one of them?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: With regard to related party transactions, is it not basic common sense that they are disclosed in accounts with regard to buildings sublet to other parties? Why would accounts be produced in an ETB or any organisation in this day and age that do not disclose related party transactions?

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