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Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: Typically, what would the payments be for?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: I understand. The witness stated that taxation heads are up to date. With regard to various references in some of these reports to subsistence payments being inaccurate and to potential BIK issues that may arise over no log regarding where vehicles were parked, etc., how can we be sure there is no additional PAYE liability on foot of those issues?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: How can we be sure that we did not have a liability?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: It states in the report that KWETB did not maintain an accurate log of vehicle use or location. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: Essentially, it was not enforced.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: Whose responsibility is it to ensure it is kept up to date and accurate?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: At the end of the day, however, someone has to check, presumably weekly or monthly, that it is filled in and up to date. Obviously, one cannot rely on the individual using the equipment or motor vehicles to do that. Someone has to oversee it and have responsibility to ensure it is carried out correctly.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: If it were brought home for personal use, it would not be known either.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: Has that changed?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: How is subsistence paid? Normally sheets that are presented are signed or co-signed and safeguards are built in to ensure the correct rate is paid and that the details on each charge sheet stack up. Looking at the report, I believe there seems to be a suggestion that some of the subsistence payments made were not correct. Whose responsibility is it? What process does the ETB undergo when...

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: Is there a head of finance in the ETB?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: So it is Ms Doran's responsibility to approve subsistence payments.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: When it gets to Ms Doran's desk, she would have to have some form of documentation signed or co-signed indicating a payment of value X may be authorised for a certain employee.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: I presume that has not happened in the past.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: It will probably get to a stage when it is cited specifically in the report. Subsistence payments comprise one of many issues. If we are outlining the processes in place and that people are accountable at each link in the chain of command, how was it that the payments were made in 2015? I admit it was nearly four years ago.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: Can anyone tell me how it would happen?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: It must be a new thing that those controls are in place.

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: If an incorrect payment has been issued, do the rules mean that is a re-grossed stop and could result in a Revenue liability?

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: To continue in that vein of discussing safeguards and ensuring adequate internal controls are in place, it is difficult to understand, against the backdrop of 2015, which I realise is going back four years and is not ideal, how a body with charitable status could authorise a trip, around which there is very little detail, to a five star hotel at a cost in excess of €10,000. How is...

Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Peter Burke: What I am not understanding-----

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