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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: I expect the report will be published.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: Is Mr. Ó Foghlú confident, given the remit of SUSI will be extended next year to cover existing grant holders, that the organisation will be in a position to contend with that and to operate adequately and to the standards that we and, more importantly, the public expect?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: On the systems, I took the opportunity this morning to look at the SUSI website which probably could be described more appropriately as a webpage. Essentially, it is a snapshot. I tried to get onto the SUSI icon and it did not take me to the City of Dublin Vocational Education Committee, CDVEC. Clearly, I was aware that CDVEC is the appropriate authority to contact on the applications...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: Is the Secretary General satisfied with the performance of the City of Dublin Vocational Education Committee? There was an open tendering process for this. CDVEC, like other VECs across the country, does valuable and excellent work and stands on its record, but this particular project has not been its finest hour. Clearly, it and the Department have lessons to learn. The public will be...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: How does the Department engage with the individual teaching staff nationwide who have been overpaid? Does the Department require their consent to have this money returned?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: Clearly, in light of what the Secretary General is telling us this morning and in light of the Comptroller and Auditor General's report, there may be a major challenge in the context of any second Croke Park agreement. Yesterday, I listened with interest to an interview with a leading industrial relations journalist who described the Croke Park agreement as probably being the most elaborate...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: On the issues the Department has encountered previously on the overpayments and the requirements to adapt or modify the payroll system, how much did it cost the Department to adapt and modify the system?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: The rate of return, if I can put it like that, from individual teachers is €20 every fortnight. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: When does the Department expect that the entire sum will be returned?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: Is the Department happy to take personal circumstances into account and extend repayment periods?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: Clearly, while the Department of Education and Skills funds salaries through the VEC, it appears as though it has no direct oversight of the payment of those salaries. Can the Secretary General explain to me the complexities in this regard? Are there difficulties in recovering overpayments made to VEC staff as opposed to staff in other second level sectors?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: I will now move on to the issue of Student Universal Support Ireland, SUSI. As everyone is aware, SUSI was launched by the Minister for Education and Skills last year and was designed to centralise grant application processes for new entrants to third level and it is the intention to expand that to existing third level students next year. It would be fair to say that for many Members, the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: I welcome the witnesses to this morning's meeting. First, I wish to deal with salary overpayments to teachers described by Mr. Ó Foghlú. As part of budget 2011 a reduction of 10% was applied to the pay of new entrants. I appreciate and understand the difficulties encountered by the Department. A teacher appointed in 2010 would be in receipt of a gross salary of just over...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: Could Mr. Ó Foghlú describe how the system works and how it compares with the systems operated by other Departments and agencies?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: It is correct that the circular was only issued several months after the original decision to reduce pay at that level was agreed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: Yes, several months later. Why was there a delay?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: Did the Department not receive a circular of notification from the Department of Finance or the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform immediately after the budget? The Department had adequate time to prepare. Why did it take several months to circulate the notification to those affected?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: Is that because many teachers who retired under previous retirement and redundancy schemes had reapplied to engage in work, in many cases in the schools from which they had retired?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: Was there not sharing of information in that respect between Departments and agencies? For example, if a teacher had worked in a VEC, did the Department did not have an adequate record of their income, their incremental pay scale or anything of that nature? Did the Department not have sufficient information?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 6 - Financial Commitments under Public Private Partnerships
Chapter 18 - Salary Overpayments to Teachers
Vote 26 - Department of Education and Skills
(28 Feb 2013)

Gerald Nash: The Comptroller and Auditor General’s report originally indicated that the overpayments amounted to €1.18 million. The current value of the overpayments appears to be €1.745 million. Is it the case that just over €500,000 has been recovered?

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