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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: I thank Mr. Ó Donnchú for that very comprehensive answer. Deputy Brady is next.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: To continue on the theme of standards, the mica scandal cost is, depending on inflation and a number of matters, between €2.5 billion and €3 billion. Defective apartments are on the far side of €2 billion. We are looking at €5 billion or €6 billion there. How much was the figure for the pyrite, roughly? Does somebody in the Department know?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: It will run up to approximately what figure? Will it be €200 million or €250 million?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: We are therefore looking at approximately €6 billion to cover those three major issues. Back in the year of our Lord 1946, an Act was passed by the Oireachtas. It was the Industrial Research and Standards Act 1946. Section 21 provided for a statutory instrument, S.I. Is Mr. Doyle aware of this? It states that: "Every person who makes any representation which is false in any...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: I understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: Mr. Doyle, with respect, the Oireachtas has done a lot of work on that. We must stop doing these things. We must stop having the mica. We must stop having pyrite. We must stop having defective apartment blocks. I know there will be slip-ups here and there, but these are monumental problems. They are absolutely monumental. We are lucky that the State's revenues are very good at the...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: Some of them do HAP inspections.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: Some of them have roles where they inspect HAP properties. They have other jobs as well. I refer to some of the smaller local authorities.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: We must be mindful of that. In relation to this mica and pyrite situation, how close are we to finishing with pyrite?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: Can we have a progress report in the next two weeks regarding the National Building Control Office and what is being done directly by the Department? I do not want to crucify anybody here this morning. The buck stops with the Department to get on top of this situation. We cannot continue. Somebody will be sitting in this room in ten or 20 years sorting out another bunch of problems with...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: I ask the Deputy not to personalise the discussion in regard to someone who is not here to defend himself.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: I ask the Deputy to allow the witness to answer the question.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: We have gone over time and I have to allow-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: There are two questions.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: We have gone over time.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: I want to get an answer for the Deputy. Are the densities contained in law? "Yes" or "No".

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: Are they not in law?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: I agree with the Deputy on that. One person with whom I am acquainted who is a firefighter in a small station has told me that some crews are down to five or six members now. They are not able to recruit new members. There are posters outside the stations trying to recruit people. This individual told me that one of his children got first communion and there was a meal afterwards. The...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: I have been arguing this for nearly two years. Mr. Doyle says we are moving in that direction but surely to God we should be just doing it. I cannot tell him which architects designed the schemes. There may even be better schemes somewhere else in the country but these looked to me like very good schemes. I have been in the houses, which are A-rated. There are also apartments in some of...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Brian Stanley: What are the issues?

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