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Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: That would be very helpful.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: I accept the responses of the Defence Forces to the points the Comptroller and Auditor General made on the disposal of this asset. I have a serious problem regarding the parts. It is a fraction of a fraction of the total cost. I understand the parts going with the aircraft which was sold for parts, and thus one disposes of the parts. However, the total cost versus the estimated value...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: Yes. I will take it on trust because I do not know what these parts are worth. The estimate was €405,000 in 2014 and they were sold for €53,000, as well documented in both the Comptroller and Auditor General's report and the Secretary General's response. Is there a market for the items that were unused, that is, still in the packaging? Is Mr. Quinn aware of the total number...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: It makes easy headlines.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: I understand. I have two further questions. It is easy to ask this question but, retrospectively, is there regret in the Defence Forces about the Gulfstream IV inventory items they had in stock, which potentially had a value greater than the €53,000 or whatever proportion of the €53,000 that might have been attributable to them, and whether the Defence Forces should have, in...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: I see. My final question is on the storage costs, or potential storage costs, in Savannah, Georgia. Does Mr. Quinn have any idea, or could he estimate, the storage costs for the aircraft in the condition it was in, which he outlined quite clearly and illustrated earlier in response to Deputy Kelly's questions? The aircraft was in pieces on the floor, of a hangar presumably, in Savannah,...

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: I apologise, perhaps I should have been more specific. I am speaking about when the Department instructed Gulfstream to stop-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: -----on the basis it was going to exceed costs, even though it had sent over personnel who had done a very good deal, which is what Mr. Quinn effectively said earlier. My question is that at the point at which the Department instructed Gulfstream to stop work on the aircraft, clearly Gulfstream told the Department it needed to take the aircraft out of its warehouse or hangar.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: There had to have been a cost attributable to the aircraft being stored for the Defence Forces. Can Mr. Quinn put a figure on this? Was it discussed? Were any other options considered in terms of getting the aircraft back to Irish airspace or Baldonnel? Was how to do this considered given the aircraft was not in a flying condition?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: I appreciate that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: To get the aircraft off the ground in Savannah and get it back would have cost €1.34 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: And two years later the State was going to have to fork out approximately €2 million in rent, maintenance and upgrades.

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: What is the expenditure limit on the maintenance of the Learjet 45?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: What age is that aircraft and what is the life expectancy of such aircraft in the care of a military organisation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2015 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 35 – Army Pensions
Vote 36 - Department of Defence
Chapter 8 – Disposal of the Government Jet
(26 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: In effect, in order for the Defence Forces to maintain the Ministerial Air Transport Service, MATS, this State, or rather the Minister and the Oireachtas has about four years to make a decision, and a couple years to acquire a suitable replacement for what the Defence Forces currently has. The Department of Defence is currently scoping the best option for the State to continue the MATS.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Department of Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government and Mr. Séamas Ó Tuathail, SC (25 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: I thank the Chairman, and I thank our guests for coming in and making their presentations. I too am disappointed that Mr. Ó Tuathail is not able to deliver his contribution in Irish, but such is the technical nature of this room, with the equipment that is in it. I appreciate the commentary that he and Ms Graham provided. I want to make one point which has been made already, but I...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Department of Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government and Mr. Séamas Ó Tuathail, SC (25 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: That is not really my question. My question related to the prospect of an unintended consequence arising. In Mr. Ó Tuathail's legal opinion, is it not appropriate that the Minister would reserve the right to amend a proposed amendment to the Constitution before it is put to the people?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Department of Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government and Mr. Séamas Ó Tuathail, SC (25 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: My question arises from a comment Mr. Ó Tuathail made in respect of the inclusion of the statement in the Minister's position paper on this matter. I want to make sure that this is known.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Department of Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government and Mr. Séamas Ó Tuathail, SC (25 Jan 2017)

Alan Farrell: I thank Ms Graham for that response. The only other question I have concerns the potential for impact on private schemes or private water supplies. One of the nuggets of information derived from Irish Water, the Department and others has been that there are a number of privately owned water supply systems that are sourced from the public supply. As far as I am aware, they are part of group...

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