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Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I think I have those answers already. From the evidence we are hearing, those answers are going to show us that everybody did what they were supposed to do in their own little box and everybody else in their little boxes thought it was tickety-boo because the person in the box next door was doing their job. The outcome will be that there was a row going on between consultants and...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: If he had been the Minister, Dr. Holohan would have said it was tickety-boo, that he knew the doctor was doing the right thing.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Are there comparisons with other medical crises when people would have died and where it would have taken as long or where Dr. Holohan, even during his time as deputy chief medical officer in 2001, would have taken an independent decision not to escalate it?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Is there is a matrix for escalation of issues?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Then let us say-----

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Dr. Holohan's biography says that he has to advise the Government and the Minister for Health.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: But Dr. Holohan seems also to be managing the information he chooses to share.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I appreciate that Dr. Holohan makes professional judgments. I will move on to Mr. Breslin for a second. Am I correct that there are monthly management meetings involving Mr. Breslin and the Minister, and the assistant secretary within the Department who would be relevant to acute hospitals?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Every two months, let us say. Therefore, there are six a year. Does Dr. Holohan attend those meetings too?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: No, the one that the Minister attends.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Does Dr. Holohan attend those meetings?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: In the 12 meetings in the relevant period, did this ever come up?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Was there no remote reference, such as, "That thing is going well"?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Did, "It is not going well", never come up once? Okay. Does the Minister always attend those meetings?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: They do not go ahead. It is not that the special adviser sits in.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Did that ever happen?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Do the witnesses all feel that they have plenipotentiary status in their own relevant roles, they are responsible for this and they make professional judgment calls on whether issues are escalated or not?

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: With what Mr. Teap stated yesterday, 18 women are dead but it is not important enough to escalate it. One can understand people's frustration. From where I am sitting, I am sure anybody looking in could be forgiven for thinking the Minister's role is quasi-ceremonial. He gets to stand in for the shot but, really, that it is.

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: That is a good point actually. Let us just look at that and let us look at collective responsibility of Ministers for the non-commencement of section 32B of the Civil Liability and Courts Act 2004, as introduced by the Legal Services Regulation Act 2015, which would have prevented some of the difficulty in this regard, as well as the non-commencement of section 2 of the Civil Liability...

Public Accounts Committee: Implications of CervicalCheck Revelations (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the State Claims Agency (Resumed)
2016 Financial Statements of the HSE (Resumed)
(17 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Never.

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