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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: Yes. Mr. Robert Watt.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: I am sorry, but we are perfectly entitled to use names.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: That is why parliamentary privilege exists, as I am sure Mr. Fraser knows. I was going to-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: I know from my experience of 19 years, and Mr. Fraser knows from his longer experience in the public service, that we are well entitled to use names. We will just take that as read.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: Will Mr. Fraser confirm that he served with the now Secretary General of the Department of Health as a more junior officer in the then Department of Social Welfare? Would that be fair to say?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: The two of them never served together.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: I am sorry. I thought he was.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: I got that wrong.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: Does Mr. Fraser believe it is appropriate for him to be on the TLAC, having served with the Secretary General?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: Does Mr. Fraser believe that is appropriate?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: Sure.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: Okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: I never said it was one way or another. I am just asking a few questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: Is it the case that the head of TLAC is the chair of TLAC?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: His name is Conor Brady. Is that right?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: He is a former editor of The Irish Times. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: I have an article in front of me that he wrote. It is entitled "The Civil Service is a Game with No Consequences". He wrote that the response to failure was "sideways moves" and "easy exits". He was writing at the time of a change at the top of the HSE. Did Mr. Fraser approach Conor Brady to be the head of TLAC?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: Who appoints a person to that role?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: Which Taoiseach and which Minister recruited or made the appointments in this case? Is it done by way of approaching someone to ask if he or she would be prepared to take on this role? How is it done?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Remuneration of Senior Civil Servants: Discussion (2 Jun 2021)

Marc MacSharry: How long has the current chairman been a member of TLAC?

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