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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: I have full respect for all Mr. Reid's staff, but I do not put up with too much BS. That is it. I did not get an answer to the question.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: My questions are for Mr. Mulvany. The contract with DXC Technology for the IT of the integrated financial management system, IFMS, was terminated. The original contract was valued at €19 million, including VAT. How much of that was paid?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Mulvany does not know how much it is yet-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: He appeared before another committee in June and did not know. He still does not know.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: Will it be more or less?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: I asked if it would be more or less than the €19 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: An awful lot less-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: Are legal proceedings on either side taking place?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: Is there any termination penalty for the HSE?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: Do we know how much was spent?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: Do we know how much DXC Technology has been paid to date or is Mr. Mulvany saying that has not been calculated yet?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: Is the equipment or whatever the company provided obsolete now or can it be used by the new contractor?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: DXC Technology does not have a copyright on what it has provided and it can be used by-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: Does the new contractor, IBM, have any difficulty with that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: We are not going to run into a scenario where there will be a problem that was created by-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: I have just one more brief question. What is the expected completion date for the IFMS?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: Will we have extended the budget, which was originally €82 million?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021
(29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: One more quick question, if I may. Are there systems in place now to prevent the difficulties that arose with DXC Technology arising again?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: On that, I agree with the two previous speakers. The reality here is that the judicial review process is about the only thing keeping our so-called professional planners, everyone from the regulator right down to the town planner, in line. The more successful judicial reviews we have should highlight to the Department the lack of understanding of the law. It is as simple as that. We...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (29 Sep 2022)

Verona Murphy: Okay. I will qualify my comments.

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