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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: In relation to the vacant properties under the control of the OPW, the Minister of State identified 70 vacant properties and 33 vacant sites in information released by the Department in July last year. Can the Minister of State provide an update on those numbers? What is the current number of vacant properties and sites within the OPW's portfolio? I acknowledge that some of these are not...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Finally, I come to the issue of the Garda headquarters. It is great to see that the new venue is open. The new accommodation is open as of last year at a cost in the region of €86 million. We discussed this in the past. I made the point to the Minister of State that the OPW was planning for a property that was of insufficient capacity to house the Garda. The Minister of State made...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: But it is not big enough. The Minister of State talks about an application at the time. I understand the Military Road building is designed for 880 gardaí, which is 200 fewer than the number in Harcourt Street in 2016, and the number working in headquarters has increased by over 400 in the intervening five years. The building was only opened in November last year and it is too small...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Hang on, now. That is like saying we were asked to build at a point in time, we built for that and that was it, and we were not worried about looking into the future. If we were building infrastructure in the State on that basis, God forbid what would happen. It is akin to saying that we will build a broadband network and not take into account the capacity of population growth, future...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Let us deal with some facts here. Does the Minister of State accept that the OPW stated on the record in 2016 that the number of people who would need to be moved was 1,090?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: It has been put to the Department by newspaper journalists. Are any of the departmental officials able to confirm that figure? It is on the record,

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: It is on the record that the OPW has stated that the number of gardaí who needed to be moved at that time in 2016 was 1,090.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Okay, so the figure is 1,090. The Minister of State has said it is appropriate to build in a contingency, is that right?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Of course, it is appropriate to build in a contingency. The Minister of State should not throw away glib comments about building extra floors to lie empty.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: No, it is not.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: With-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: It is a contingency.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Let me deal with this. A total of 1,090 were assigned to headquarters and needed to be moved. The Minister of State said the OPW built in a contingency of 20% which means it should build for about 1,300, yet it built for 880. That is why 500 gardaí are without a place in Military Road. It is not rocket science.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: That is quite simple. If 1,090 gardaí needed to be moved-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: -----from headquarters-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: The Minister of State asked a question; he does not want to hear the answer. If 1,090 gardaí needed to be moved from headquarters, at the very start I would build enough accommodation for those individuals and then build in a contingency, which is probably appropriate, of 20%.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: First of all, the OPW has already had to go to the Department of Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform with a request to rent out more accommodation because the place it built and turned the key for last November does not have enough spaces in it.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: There are hundreds of gardaí with no place in headquarters.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: How many-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works (Revised)
(22 Feb 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I am answering the question. How many gardaí are going to be-----

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