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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I will ask about the cost of the demolition of the data centre that would have been just beside where the Military Road premises are now. What was the cost of demolishing that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: What was the cost? The OPW would have had to-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: It is still there.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: How did the Intreo office in Dublin 7 come about? I understand that gardaí are to be accommodated in that building, which was formerly an Intreo centre and will now be used for some of the-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: How did that come about? Did the OPW or the Garda identify the Intreo site? How did it happen?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: It was due to reopen for the Department of Social Protection-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: How did it come about that it was decided to use it? What was the context? Did the Garda approach the OPW? Was it costed? Was it evaluated?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: How much was spent on it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: The refurbishment did not happen.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Was it €86 million?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: The National Asset Management Agency, NAMA, offered Harcourt Square - it had been leased - to the OPW for the Garda. Since the Military Road premises had to be built and other Garda units had to be accommodated, in retrospect, was it very poor decision-making not to buy the Harcourt Square building, given all that had to happen since as regards moving the Garda, when the offer to buy it...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: I have a couple of comments on the Convention Centre Dublin. I get the impression, not just from the witnesses but also from others who have been before us, that there is a culture of fear in the public service, and that this is known by people who do business. It is almost like a reverse socialism. There is a fearlessness among those people. We see it, for example, in the context of the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: On the basis of the OPW's figures and as Mr. Buckley stated previously, that was 800 in 2015.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: It was a lack of future-proofing.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: What is the cost?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Do we know what is the cost of the lease on Clyde House? Do we know what the lease is on Phoenix House on Conyngham Road? These are all part of the same group.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Did Mr. Buckley bring those figures with him today?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Mr. Buckley also needs to talk to us about the numbers and how those have changed since 2015. The figures given previously need to be checked when that table is being given because in the case of Military Road the figure keeps moving and reducing. It is causing confusion more than anything else. I want to know the totality of the cost of accommodation and whether the building is deemed to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of Public Works
Chapter 8 - Contract payments in respect of Convention Centre Dublin
(15 Dec 2022)

Catherine Murphy: Okay.

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