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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: We had suggested bringing in the HSE to our last meeting. We might now try to bring forward our meeting with the HSE on its annual financial statements, which is on our work programme for about five weeks' time. We will try to bring that forward as urgently as possible. If we have to swap something around next week, we will try to do that. The Department of Agriculture, Food and the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: We had a lot of business to do today. I called Deputy MacSharry under "any other business".

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will do that. We will now go into private session.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: This morning we are meeting representatives of the Department of Children and Youth Affairs to consider the 2017 appropriation account for Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs. We are joined by Dr. Fergal Lynch, Secretary General; Ms Bernie McNally; Ms Éimear Fisher; Mr. Gerard Hughes; and Ms Olive McGovern. We are also joined by Mr. Pat Smyth, interim chief executive of Tusla, and Ms...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: I thank Mr. Lynch for his opening statement. I will now move on to the committee members, who will be speaking in the following sequence. Deputy Shane Cassells is the lead speaker with 20 minutes, followed by Deputy Alan Farrell, who has 15 minutes. As members will know, Deputy Farrell is the Chairman of the Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs so he is very experienced on...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy might help people from outside Dublin. He should tell us exactly where Oberstown is located.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: There may be something wrong with Dr. Lynch's microphone.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: We know that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Deputy O'Connell is the next speaker. We will have to suspend shortly for voting time in the Dáil.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Deputy should speak through the Chair. Will she explain what she is requesting for clarity?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Will that not involve naming every individual childcare operator?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: I just wanted to clarify that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: I understand that, but I am just trying to establish the volume of the request. How many organisations would receive these funds?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: If one multiplies 4,500 by each of the ten years, we do not want a document with 40,000 sets of payments. I want it to be manageable.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am upfront on this. We do not want a document with 4,000 entries and more than 2,000 pages that we will not read through, using up valuable time. I am trying to manage the volume of what we seek because we want something manageable. It requires liaison with the secretariat.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: I apologise for interrupting the Deputy but I must suspend the meeting at this point.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: To allow members time to attend votes in the Chamber and have lunch, I propose that we resume at 2.30 p.m. I do not expect the meeting to continue for too long in the afternoon, but I will accommodate the members who are still waiting to speak.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will ask a few questions and make an observation. I refer to Mr. Lynch's opening statement which is an example of the difficulty of the job facing the Department of Children and Youth Affairs and Tusla. On the one hand, when we think of children, most concentrate on the good news and the early childhood strategy and everything like it. There are a lot of positives within the opening...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Where is it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children and Youth Affairs
(13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Deputy O'Connell might indicate when she wants to speak because Deputy Cullinane has just completed his questions and I was starting mine.

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