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Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: Is Deputy McGuinness suggesting that others, such as the press, Government or the Civil Service have an agenda of trying to do down the potential of the PAC under his chairmanship to lead a banking inquiry or to do down the capacity of the committee to do its work? Does he think this is part of that sort of agenda?

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: Deputy McGuinness has posited the theory before, so will he respond to my question?

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: Has Deputy McGuinness spoken to his party Leader?

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: Not necessarily. I am not particularly satisfied with the response but I understand that other speakers want to contribute. Has Deputy McGuinness spoken to the Fianna Fáil Party Leader about this particular fiasco? Has the Leader spoken to him?

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: It is damaging.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: Has the Deputy spoken to him since Monday or has Deputy Martin spoken to him about this?

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: Has he spoken to the Deputy about it? What is the leader's view on it?

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: Has the leader not expressed his view?

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: There is a long-standing tradition that the chairmanship of the Committee of Public Accounts is in the gift of the main Opposition party. Deputy Micheál Martin appointed Deputy McGuinness to this position with the agreement of the committee. Has he full confidence that the Deputy will continue as Chairman of the PAC?

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: Has he full confidence that Deputy McGuinness will continue as Chair of the PAC?

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: With the permission of the Vice Chairman, I wish to refer to the e-mail of 29 August 2007 in which the civil servant, having checked the views of the then Minister, now the leader of the Fianna Fáil Party, about bringing his wife on business trips with him, is attributed by an official to have "very strong ethical views on the matter". I want to quote the fourth last paragraph of Deputy...

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: His view that this was an ethical question, and that it was ethically unsound.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: Yes, absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: On 29 August 2007, the then Minister with responsibility for trade and commerce, sent an e-mail to the Assistant Secretary of the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment and the fourth paragraph opens as follows: Is there a suggestion in your memo that the case would be different if Minister Martin was accompanied by his wife? Strong views do not ethics make. He could be mistaken....

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: If I may, I have another question. I respect Deputy McGuinness's opinion and I know he respects mine in the best spirit of this engagement.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: Yes. In the e-mail of 29 August 2007, Deputy McGuinness states in the second last sentence: "I am logical, reasonable and tolerant, but I will not be intimidated by you [the assistant secretary], the Minister, an "ethical" position or the attitude of the press." This is quite a terse exchange between the Deputy and the assistant secretary of the Department. Obviously tensions were running...

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: Did this colour his judgment in any way?

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: The Chairman has at least posited the notion that there may be a witch hunt against him or this committee and that it may have something to do with undertaking a banking inquiry. He also suggested that he may be more sinned against than sinning. Others may say that he is the architect of his own misfortune. Where does he sit on that question? Who does he blame?

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: Or sinned against.

Public Accounts Committee: Statement by Chairman (13 Jun 2013)

Gerald Nash: I did not suggest he was. I said he may feel more sinned against than sinning but others may say he is the architect of his own misfortune.

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