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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I am sure they are not anxious for us to have another hearing on this. I note what the Chairman has read out. I note that it included words like "guidelines" and "internal, independent". If that is not an oxymoron I do not know what is. How can we have an internal independent person, without prejudice? It is an impossibility. Nobody internal can investigate or be part of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: That is good. We might then move down the process. Dr. Love and Department representatives said that it is important, from a governance evolution perspective, for an organisation to learn from its mistakes and I totally agree with that. However, the fact there is a procedure in place does not mean it is a good one or the right one; nor does it mean that it is going to lead to learning. If...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I know but Dr. Love indicated that he felt that this was potentially good news.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I would say it is a pitiful response to a very serious-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I am glad now that we have seen it. Dr. Love said that this was potentially good.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: He reserved the right of his board to take a final view and I welcome that. Before doing so, the board should bear in mind that this is all about how things are going to be managed in the future. All anyone has to do at the moment is get the permission of the vice president of finance to spend whatever he or she likes, which means this could happen again if the vice president of finance is...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I appreciate that.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I am giving my view. I am not inferring anything about Dr. Love's judgment. He gave a personal opinion. While I appreciate that the process is not finished, on 17 June it will be one year since we first discussed these matters and that is a problem. The echoes of condemnation should still be heard from 18 June, that public money cannot be spent in this way. The CIT proposal relates to...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I hope my utterances here today can feed into that outcome.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: That is a good procedure but we do not want to see this kind of stuff reported to any finance subcommittee in the future. It was absolutely disgraceful. I am nearly finished-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: In the course of previous deliberations with the Secretary General of the Department, we spoke about public private partnerships, PPPs and other matters. I made an assumption, as did other committee members, that a certain person was the contract manager on a PPP project all along. We had an entire discussion in the context of that incorrect assumption. Nobody corrected that and the person...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: In terms of people retiring today and returning on Monday, when that has happened in the past, was there public procurement to seek somebody to carry out those works?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Why would that have been so?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: No, that is a different issue. I am talking about people who are staff. I am finished with the issue of PPPs. If a staff member took early retirement today, could he or she come back in on Monday without a procurement process?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: The permission of the HEA and the Department is required. Is that the case?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Is that permission supposed to be obtained in advance?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Why did the institute not do so?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: That was approved, retrospectively by the Department. Is that right?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Is that person - or persons - still employed at the institute?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Do the persons involved have anything to do with the college now?

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