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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am speaking now from recollection as I do not have the papers in front of me. My understanding is that hospital consultants had taken a case regarding their remuneration under the 2008 contracts.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: That case was adjudicated on in the High Court on 15 or 16 June 2018.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: That adjudication resulted in the court obliging the HSE to make payments to the hospital consultants. The cost of these payments has been put at €198 million.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: The payment of that sum is being deferred to 2020 or 2021.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: The liability determined by the court in its final decision was incurred in 2018 and should have been in the accounts for 2018. It could have been paid last year and would have been in the accounts, but it has been deferred. It is a liability.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: I did not state that the cashflow was not correct. The payment has not yet been made. I say that so that people understand the position.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: It concerns consultant pay.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: No, it would not. We operate on an accruals basis and that there is a balance sheet showing an organisation's liability.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: The point is that it should have been accrued because the court determined that it should be accrued. That cash flows when it is paid out-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: It has not been paid yet.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: What page is that on?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: The HSE in previous years made a provision not knowing the outcome.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: No, this committee does not deal with Ministers. That is a matter for the health committee. We only deal with the Accounting Officers and we must try to keep within our remit.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am trying to protect the Deputy.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Have we teased out this particular topic sufficiently?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: The law provides for that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: It does not give a true and fair picture in accordance with accounting standards.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Correct.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Correct. I want to clarify this matter because we are going to move on. In the HSE annual financial statements, note 1, on accounting policies, states:Statement of Compliance and Basis of Preparation The financial statements have been prepared on an accruals basis, in accordance with the historical cost convention. Under Section 36(3) of the Health Act 2004, the Minister specifies the...

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