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Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: Consultant C is a retired civil servant. From what Department?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: Did consultant A, B or C work for the Department of Communications, Energy and Natural Resources at any stage?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: What is the full payment to consultant C until now?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: Without competitive tendering.

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: All of these figures are in excess of the €25,000 threshold. What is the total amount paid to consultant D to date?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: On consultant E-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: The last contract was consultant F, who was engaged by Ervia.

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: One of these consultants, PA Consulting, was expected to be paid on the basis of milestones reached, but instead was just paid monthly. It has received €399,000. Is that not so?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: It was awarded without a competitive tender.

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: Was another contract in 2008 for €54,000 awarded without a competitive process?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: Why was that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: The Comptroller and Auditor General has reported that the contract was awarded to PA Consulting on the basis that payment would be made on receipt of monthly invoices for the support provided in the previous month rather than on the basis of milestones, as was requested under the tender. While the Department engaged in a tendering process, it did not adhere to it and that firm has been paid...

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: That is not the question I asked. Based on what the Comptroller and Auditor General has reported, the tender awarded by the Department stated that specific milestones would have to be reached. Instead, payments were issued monthly. We do not know now if the milestones that were supposed to have been reached were reached or whether it was just payment pro formabased on time. If the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: If that is the case, why was it put into the tender in the first place? PA Consulting has been in since 2006 and obviously knew a lot about this by the time the tenders were received in 2014. What was the point of asking that specific milestones would need to be reached if the Department had no intention of paying it on the specific milestones?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: That is not the question I am asking. I asked a very simple question. In the tender, the Department specified that specific milestones would need to be reached before payment would issue, but it did not do that. I am just asking why.

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: Was PA Consulting always paid monthly?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: Was it paid on a milestone basis at some stage?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: When was it decided to change from a milestone basis to a monthly basis?

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: So we do not know when that happened.

Public Accounts Committee: 2014 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 29 - Communications, Energy and Natural Resources
Chapter 13 - The Development of Eircode, the National Postcode System
(28 Jan 2016)

Patrick O'Donovan: The Comptroller and Auditor General has outlined a catalogue of serious issues relating to procurement. At this stage the official from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform might enlighten us as to its views of this.

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