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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: In the case of an AHB being unencumbered, and where it changes its constitution to cease being a charity, who is the beneficial owner? Who would do that? Is it the directors of the company?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Then we come back to the point about the hole in the bucket. Who owns the assets at the end if there is nothing to put them back into? For example-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, but you might end up with a small site with a dozen houses on it and with no room to put another house on it. Where do the assets go? You can do only so much maintenance and upgrading. You could end up with very sizeable assets as a consequence of the State making this investment in the first place for a very good reason. In fact, part of the reason some of these smaller ones came...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It has a big budget, at €505 million. It is a centre of excellence as well. It is the one that jumps out from the list. I agree we should write and look for that information but we may consider at some point in the future bringing in this hospital and others that follow it in the remit. We might put it down tentatively but I do not think it would be enough on its own. It may well...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes. I refer to Horse Racing Ireland, No. 25, where attention is drawn to a further loss of €1.3 million. I know there was underinvestment, so there was a need for investment into the racecourse, which by the way is in County Kildare but is not in my constituency, for what it is worth. On the further loss, who picks up that loss and how is it paid for? Does it come out of the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I understand it can sometimes take time, and I am sure Covid had a role to play in this, but it might be an area we keep an eye on.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: We could end up having some equity in a racing track but not in some of the approved housing bodies, going by this morning's session.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It certainly is a postcode lottery. It does not matter if there is disparity in polices; if the funding is not there, people are not going to get the services. The CHO area where I live and which I represent, CHO 7, is twice the size of some of the other CHOs. It is in a rapidly growing area, and is playing catch-up the whole time. When we have our annual meeting with them, we are told...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: There are two matters I wish to raise, one of which relates to the delivery of temporary modular homes. I want to ask the Department about the cost per unit. I know there is a 60-year lifespan on these, which is very good. Does the cost include the connection to the services? How many are on order? What is the lead time for delivery? Is fire certification included in that? Does...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: It would be no harm to have a long list and then we can decide from that list.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: On the second page at the top, under the heading, "Land-use and forestry", it states "The Forestry Division of the Department of Agriculture Food and the Marine recently received sanction of €1.318 billion for the next Forestry Programme (2023-2027) from the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform." Can we ask the exact date on which this sanction was granted? Were the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: There is more than one Department involved. The Department of Public Expenditure and Reform has a role as does the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine. It may be that the Department of the Environment, Climate and Communications has a role as well. It quite difficult to see where this lands or where the buck stops. To be perfectly honest, in the case of most of us, our jaws are...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: The DART+ West programme is going to be very disruptive while it is under way but it will be hugely beneficial. The railway order has gone in on it. It says that it goes west of Maynooth. In fact it will go 350 m from the railway station in Kilcock but will not terminate in Kilcock and there will be no opportunity for people to board the train in Kilcock. Consequently, the DART will be in...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I think there is a process. The last time the National Transport Authority, NTA, or Transport Infrastructure Ireland, TII, I am not sure which, was in, its representatives said a separate process would be required but it could possibly be bolted on to this in terms of the delivery. It is very frustrating to see that a new process is required but one cannot see where that process is going to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Eight railway sheds are being built and construction will be going on 24-7 just 350 m from the station. At the very least, they should allow people to board the DART from that station. This is mad stuff.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: The Deputy is correct. We had the board in before. If the tender is not nailed down and all of the work is not done in advance, there is a greater chance of then receiving claims afterwards. That is very much where we go back to in terms of where the fault lies. I have continuously raised the delays because the contractor was criticised for not having enough people on site and other such...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes, but could we ask the Department what the mechanism is if the paediatric hospital board runs out of money and if there is a requirement for a Supplementary Estimate?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: We have had the experience of a hospital being built for ten years before it was occupied.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Could we ask if that is the case?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Could we specifically ask that question so that we satisfy ourselves in that regard?

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