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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Okay. Did this letter come to Mr. Gallagher?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: To whom did it go first?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Okay and then it went to Mr. Gallagher.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I will list off a few things and then Mr. Gallagher can come back to me. Would it have related to issues such as: financial malpractice; impropriety or fraud; activities which involve or have the potential to involve bribery or corruption, failure to comply with a legal obligation; bullying; failure to comply with the institute's charter, statutes or regulations; endangering of health and...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: This was not anonymous.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Therefore, Mr. Gallagher knew who this person was. It was a staff member who came forward. Mr. Gallagher said, "Look, this is the procedure if you want to take it further." If I am picking it up correctly, the person chose not to.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: How many cases are there?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I am just a bit confused. On 17 June, we had no cases. Mr. Gallagher is outlining what seems to be a very specific case of disclosure. He is saying that it is before the High Court. Given that CIT provided the disclosure policy it had at that time to the person involved, I do not understand how the person choosing not to invoke it is now before the High Court.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: What was made known to the institute?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Did I cover those issues in what I read out in that list?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I was quoting that from CIT's draft disclosure policy.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I think there are 12 definitions of malpractice, abuse or wrongdoing. I read out ten of them and Mr. Gallagher is saying yes, it would have related to those issues, so how is it not a disclosure?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: How did it end up before the High Court if the person did not engage?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Am I correct in stating that the case before the High Court does not have anything to do with the letter?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Is the Department represented here?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Mr. Beausang is from the Department. What is his view on this?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: I am not asking Mr. Beausang to name anyone. What we have here is a peculiar situation whereby a disclosures policy was in place and we have established that a number of the issues listed in that policy were mentioned in a letter written by a member of staff to Mr. Gallagher - one of the people to whom such matters should be addressed. Allegedly, the person did not engage and now the matter...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: That is decided-----

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Who decides that?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2016: Higher Education Authority, University College Cork and Cork Institute of Technology (24 May 2018)

Marc MacSharry: Who is an appropriate official?

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