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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I ask the witnesses to answer briefly please because we are a good deal over time. A "Yes" would be good.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I ask the Department to come back to the Senator in writing on that point for a couple of reasons but mostly because we are over time. I call Senator Ruane.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: The Senator has a further ten to 20 seconds if she wishes to ask anything else.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Ms Murphy appears to be gone and we may come back to that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I thank Senator Ruane. I now call on Deputy Pringle followed by Deputy Howlin.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I will put those points now to the Bar Council and to the Department.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Can I ask the Department to respond briefly now, please?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I thank Ms Carberry very much. I will now move to Senator Gallagher. He will be followed by Deputy Niamh Smyth, Senator McDowell and Deputy Daly.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I am terribly sorry. I skipped Deputy Howlin. That is really bad.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: The Deputy has five minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Does Deputy Howlin want anyone in particular to respond?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: We have that report and we circulated it to members before the start of the meeting. I might take 30 seconds to make one observation because it flows from what Ms Counihan said about trauma. One in Four covered it particularly well in the description in its submission of what somebody is going through physically as he or she tries to describe a traumatic event. One cannot understand trauma...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Does Ms Counihan or one of the representatives of the Department wish to respond? Did the Senator wish for the representatives of the Department to respond?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I ask Mr. Ó Briain to comment very briefly.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Engagement with the Department of Education on a new programme of relationship and sexual education may also be a fruitful line of development.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: In the interest of giving all our guests an opportunity to contribute, I will go to one of the groups that have not had an opportunity to contribute, namely, One in Four or Men's Aid.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: It is important to acknowledge the work of Men's Aid Ireland as well. There is not the same volume of cases or experience of prosecuting cases from that perspective but I wanted to give the representatives of Men's Aid Ireland the opportunity to come in on any of this if they wish. I am aware that Ms Bentley is a strong advocate in the context of coercive control. This is a new criminal...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: It is good that representatives from Men's Aid Ireland are here to contribute to this discussion. Ms Bentley referred to the language and described about men not feeling comfortable coming forward or not identifying as rape victims. This is partly a gendered experience in itself that is imposed on men. In so many different ways, we talk about the damage toxic masculinity can do to men and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: Are the Senator's questions addressed to anybody in particular?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Justice, Defence and Equality: Victims' Testimony in Cases of Rape and Sexual Assault: Discussion. (23 Mar 2021)

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill: I am keen to facilitate the discussion and to ensure that everybody gets in. I will now call Deputy Daly for five minutes at which point we will reach the end of the first round. I believe Senator Ruane indicated she would like to come back in. If anybody else wishes to come back in, I ask them to signal to me so that I can plan the time and allow the conversation either to flow or to get...

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