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Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Okay, but in terms of policy development, is it in those rooms?

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Certainly the citizens' assembly has given a mandate to do that now.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: What work is the Department of Health currently doing on EU trends in drug regulation and drug services? What current research is being undertaken?

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Are we doing, say, data analysis on regions that have changed drug policy and are having either good or bad outcomes and are we going to parse that data and make it public?

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: That is very useful but it was not quite my question. My question was not about what our policy is and how it fares against EU trends, norms or changes, it was on whether an active piece of work was being done in the Department to keep tabs on and to analyse data on what is happening across Europe, in and of itself and not in relation to ourselves.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Chair, I think this committee would be very interested in some of the outcomes of that and if the Department was able to pass that on, I would be very grateful.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: I might move on-----

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: That is fascinating. I might move to the HSE and its safer nightlife programme, the social inclusion aspect and how it was dealt with by the citizens' assembly. There was a suggestion the HSE needs more funding and expansion. Could someone put some bones on that? What exactly does it need for that to work better?

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Yes. I was delighted to see that.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: That was amazing, by the way. The uptake in synthetic opioids is really scary.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: The HSE need more funds, more resources and I presume more staff.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: I will ask it like this in a benign way; if we doubled the funding, would that be useful?

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: I know I am over time but I have just one quick question, or maybe two. A witness talked about children being coerced into the drug trade, which is I suppose more accurate than drug taking, and these are young children. What is the youngest Mr. Ryan is aware of in that cohort of children who are being asked to do look-out duties or whatever it might be?

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Eight year olds being asked to look-out.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: On the issue of referrals or the health-led scheme, one person who is a recovered addict said to me a couple of years ago, and it really stuck with me, that they were worried about any change in policy because they see the criminal system as the gateway to service provision. As in, you get your health services when you get a conviction. That really shocked and surprised me. While I very...

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Mr. Ryan is a representative of the Department of Justice and there is no discretion from that side. I know there is discretion from the individual's side but is there discretion from that side?

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: I thank the Leas-Chathaoirleach. I want to use my four minutes to talk about potency of drugs. Before I do, I wish to return to the issue of Oregon reversing some of its work on drug decriminalisation. It is important we put on record that when it took that action three years ago it interacted with a thirteenfold increase in drug overdose due to fentanyl, which nobody who engaged in that...

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: Forensic Science Ireland is doing it on the basis that a file has been sent to the DPP and there is going to be a prosecution.

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: In the case of a particular substance, if the potency is considered especially high, as opposed to a less potent version of the same substance, does that impact the conviction?

Committee on Drugs Use: Drug Use Policy: HSE, Department of Justice and Department of Health (20 Jun 2024)

Neasa Hourigan: The type of substance and not the potency of the substance.

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