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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Low Pay Commission Recommendations on the National Minimum Wage: Discussion (18 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: I thank Deputy O'Reilly for allowing me to go first. I have a meeting to go to afterwards so I apologise if I have to leave straight away. It is great to see Mr. Courtney again. If I may, I want to start by taking up an issue that arose the last time he appeared before the committee. I will quote from the transcript of the meeting where he said to me: "Some actually say to us that they...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Low Pay Commission Recommendations on the National Minimum Wage: Discussion (18 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: I am sorry but I have to interrupt Mr. Courtney. I am reading directly from the transcript. When I say to him: "Mr. Courtney is saying that he has had submissions from workers asking not to get a pay increase." he replies "Yes". Was that not correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Low Pay Commission Recommendations on the National Minimum Wage: Discussion (18 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: Selective?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Low Pay Commission Recommendations on the National Minimum Wage: Discussion (18 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: I am quoting verbatim from the transcript. It is not selective. I have not left any words out.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Low Pay Commission Recommendations on the National Minimum Wage: Discussion (18 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: So we will just close this off. Is Mr. Courtney now confirming there were no written submissions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Low Pay Commission Recommendations on the National Minimum Wage: Discussion (18 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: I am asking him now-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Low Pay Commission Recommendations on the National Minimum Wage: Discussion (18 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: That is simply not correct.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Low Pay Commission Recommendations on the National Minimum Wage: Discussion (18 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: I do not think so.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Low Pay Commission Recommendations on the National Minimum Wage: Discussion (18 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: These are matters of fact.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Low Pay Commission Recommendations on the National Minimum Wage: Discussion (18 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: To clarify, the people who wrote in had an ideological objection to the idea of a minimum wage. They did not identify themselves as minimum-wage workers at any point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Low Pay Commission Recommendations on the National Minimum Wage: Discussion (18 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: Several?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Low Pay Commission Recommendations on the National Minimum Wage: Discussion (18 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: I am really surprised at Mr. Courtney's responses here today. I have to be very frank with him.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Low Pay Commission Recommendations on the National Minimum Wage: Discussion (18 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: I did read them. I went through each and every one of them.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Low Pay Commission Recommendations on the National Minimum Wage: Discussion (18 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: There was no written submission from a minimum-wage worker asking not to have a pay increase. There was not one. Mr. Courtney should at least acknowledge that today. I am going to move on. I apologise as I am taking up way too much of my colleague's time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Low Pay Commission Recommendations on the National Minimum Wage: Discussion (18 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: That is not a minimum wage worker.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Low Pay Commission Recommendations on the National Minimum Wage: Discussion (18 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: Because there was a reference to when the person was in college.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Low Pay Commission Recommendations on the National Minimum Wage: Discussion (18 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: Mr. Courtney is really reaching here. He is really stretching this one.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation: Low Pay Commission Recommendations on the National Minimum Wage: Discussion (18 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: I will hand over to Deputy O'Reilly at this point.

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (17 Oct 2023)

Paul Gavan: It is good to know we are dealing with the big issues.

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