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Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: I have not seen the reports the Deputy has seen.

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: I will put it this way. We might get a phone call to say there is something in the Examineragain. That is my own newspaper.

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: I jest. It is a Corkonian expression, although they put the word "Irish" before "Examiner", but that is a long story. No, seriously, people speculate all the time.

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: I think this is important, though. There is no delay on our side in terms of resources or anything like that. I do get the sense in the Department, however, that this is a seriously challenging project. The military has to gear up. Our Defence Forces have to gear up. Our Department has to gear up in terms of capacity. We have to talk to other countries that have gone down this road just...

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: We are very-----

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: We have various-----

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: We have Air Corp surveillance. We have the new C295 maritime patrol aircraft and they do maritime surveillance. However, we do not have radar.

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: It is a huge vulnerability. It is a very significant vulnerability.

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: No. I am sorry; I mean that is a matter for other countries. All of the speculation on that was erroneous, too, by the way, and wrong in terms of what was alleged about the Royal Air Force, RAF, and so on, so no. What happens in terms of maritime surveillance is-----

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: What?

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: The world is monitoring the world, Deputy.

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: Everybody is watching everybody. It is-----

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: I cannot tell the Deputy. I do not know the depths of the intelligence system of any particular country or what they are up to. However, this is what routinely happens. If, for example, we take the maritime traffic through our seas or exclusive economic zone, we might spot stuff and alert the French or say it to the British or somebody else. This is a routine that goes on. Countries...

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: That is case headings, again, because of the reduced numbers.

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: It is capability development more generally. The price for the purchase of defensive equipment, aircraft, naval vessels and ammunition takes in the contractual commitments to multiannual contracts.

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: In our discussions with the Department of public expenditure, the idea of converting is a model we are trying to avoid into the future. It is not an ideal way to fund capital into the future. That is the point we have been making in terms of the Estimate. The NDP base was not strong enough. The current allocation came into primer up on previous years. We are saying we just want a...

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: This is while they were in the Civil Defence and on a Civil Defence mission.

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: I will check that out then.

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: That is something that should be provided for. The Deputy and I both know that the jurisdictional issues. I surmise-----

Select Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Estimates for Public Services 2024
Vote 35 - Army Pensions (Revised)
Vote 36 - Defence (Revised)
(1 Feb 2024)

Micheál Martin: There are also the domain protections that people go on with that we should be using.

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