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Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: We could name many other things of which the same is true. However, I agree with the Deputy on that point.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: I thank Deputies for their contributions. I will try to cover them as best I can. I will start at the beginning with regard to the restoration. I have already addressed what we are doing on the biodiversity front. I am not going to repeat that; we will come back to it. The amendments around the national planning framework, NPF, requirement regarding conservation of the environment and...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: I thank members. On Deputy Duffy's point, I do not think we can speak in isolation on the nature restoration law because a national nature restoration plan will flow from that. That is going to be very exacting, by the way. My Department has interacted on that and I am not sure that people understand the import of it. It is needed. There has been a lot of political debate on it and there...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: The plans are at a lower level and are already provided for. The plans-----

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: I have always supported nature restoration, and so has the Government.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: Ní féidir liom an leasú seo a ghlacadh. I have said that already. I said that we would have a national plan that would flow from the nature restoration law, which is very important, but I will come back on Report Stage to further strengthen definitions concerning biodiversity. We have discussed this at length and I cannot be clearer. I am not accepting the proposal as it...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: I am not going to go over it. I did-----

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: I did listen with interest to the debate. One of the facts that was not overlooked but that was not accorded the importance it deserved was that a review can be instigated at any time. That is important. We have seen really significant growth since the last census, in 2022. There was a delay in the full publication of the data because of Covid. The Deputy made a point that I actually...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: Amendment No. 166, as Deputy O'Callaghan outlined, seeks to add "prescribed bodies" to the list of those bodies in respect of which the Minister must put in place arrangements for consulting with as part of the public consultation on the review of the NPF. It is my clear view that there is sufficient capacity for effective consultation arrangements in the Bill as drafted. Indeed, it happens...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: Yes, I do consult-----

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: I spoke earlier about allowing flexibility in the type and format of consultation that any Minister would have. All of the ones that are listed, with the exception of "members of the public" - which is everybody - are State bodies. The list includes members of the Oireachtas, regional assemblies and so on, as well as members of the public and that distinction is made there. The prescribed...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: No, I cannot but I would imagine there could be other bodies that would come on. That is what I am saying. To answer the Deputy's question, I am actually----

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: I thought the Deputy had finished it because it was quite concise.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: Go ahead.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: I did. The appropriate place for this is in the regulations. Is there any case or circumstance in which they are not consulted as part of the NPF? They are consulted. If a new body enters that field - and we discussed this same principle when we were discussing Gaeltacht planning - there will be the ability to designate that entity in regulation. I do not think it is the appropriate-----

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: I refer to listing them in the regulation. That is what I am saying.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: I know. It refers to "prescribed bodies".

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: Yes, it does. I have already answered this. I stated that I think we need to allow flexibility as to who is consulted at various times, depending on the type and format of the consultation that takes place. I am not in favour of including "prescribed bodies". I know the Deputy is not asking that the prescribed bodies be listed in the Bill. This is very well covered already in this...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: We do.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Planning and Development Bill 2023: Committee Stage (Resumed) (28 Feb 2024)

Darragh O'Brien: The Deputies propose the inclusion of "prescribed bodies" here. If we were to take that amendment and put that term in the list, one could argue that it means the "prescribed bodies", as they stand today or on the day-----

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