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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: There are a few other items on the national broadband plan in correspondence, and before we get into the session with our witnesses today, we will discuss in private session our next report and how we will deal with those issues. We may have a brief comment but we will be discussing in private session the formatting of our report and the inclusion of this information to bring our work to...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: It will.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will discuss that issue in private session because we will be discussing how we proceed with the work that we have carried out to date on that matter. We note and publish this letter from Robert Watt. No. 2199B is from Maurice Buckley, chairman of the Office of Public Works providing information, including costs incurred, requested by the committee regarding public infrastructure at...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Or more.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Preliminary site works commenced in 2008. The letter we have received states no changes were made to the size of the building and the OPW believes it is substantially in line with the original tender. The claims are still subject to ongoing negotiation of the contract. It is not even completed as we speak today.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will write back and ask for an update at the end of September in respect of the outcome of the negotiations that are still under way. It is our job to tie this one down. We will ask for that. No. 2227B is from Ms Rhonda Evans from the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board, dated 7 June. We received this a week ago but we are only having our meeting now. It provides a...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, to date.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Of the brief and what the firm does.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Okay, the Deputy is correct. We have seen periodic glossy newsletters on progress and I presume some of the money is spent on that. We need to know what has been covered by the contract. We will ask for specifications or the brief.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: There is a detailed answer to that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: It states it is with regard to legislation. We asked for a note on procurement policy and possible exclusions or previous litigation conducted by a prospective builder with regard to the most economically advantageous clause in the contract. It states it was done in accordance with the European regulation of 2006 on the award of public contracts and that if it were to exclude an applicant...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: What I am saying is that I think what we are saying is right and that the law is-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: And it is also operating in Ireland.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: This is why I am after the figure of 95% for cost certainty. It all went wrong from the point at which the assurance was given that it was 95% certain. The latter was not the case. The problems started to arise at the very beginning. The company went on site before the design was completed and the taxpayer has been playing catch-up ever since. The risk was not transferred to the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: I understand what you are saying. I will try and help.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: It would. It depends on the nature of the contract and the level of certainty and risk. We have had road projects where parameters were set as regards design and the companies involved had to work within those. Any risks within those parameters were the main contractor's problem. This has shown up two possible alternatives. I am more concerned about the second of those alternatives than...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: This is an issue we will come back to consider in the context of the conclusions and recommendations of our report. The issues on which we need to try to crystallise our thoughts are being well ventilated. We may not have the answer but we may have some useful suggestions. We will move on. This will be in our next periodic report on the national paediatric hospital. No. 2228B is...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (13 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: We will come back to this. The committee will have to finalise a report on where we are up to this point on the broadband issue because it is ongoing. Another committee is looking at it and we will not unnecessarily duplicate each other's work. We will bring our work to a conclusion at a particular point as soon as practicable and hand it over to the other committee. No doubt it will come...

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