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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: I am sorry Mr. Bakhurst-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: Key information.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: In fairness, that is Mr. Bakhurst's interpretation of it that it is not key. Unfortunately, we do not have the privilege to make that determination because it has been withheld from us. That is the problem.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: I will move on to Richard Collins. I heard what Mr. Bakhurst said earlier about him resigning from the organisation. Was that an amicable separation?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: It was professional. Have legal papers been served on RTÉ by Mr. Collins?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: Not yet.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: Okay, there was an agreement reached and his legal team were present. We got the most up-to-date figures on TV licence renewals last week. They were down 39%. What is the net loss? What does that equate to?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: It is €21 million, all right. How does the commercial revenue for the year to date compare with last year?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: How much is it down?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: I am sorry, what was that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: Is it 9%?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: Okay, so it is just below 10%, which is not an insignificant amount. What does that equate to in cash terms?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: All right, but are we talking about €10 million or €20 million? I am not looking for a specific-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: Millions.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: Okay. I am conscious of the time, so-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: -----does Mr. Mullen envisage that trend continuing for the remainder of the-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: All right.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: Okay, and do the officials think the controversy that has unfolded within RTÉ over the last number of months has any impact on commercial activity?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: I ask Mr. Bakhurst to be brief, if he can.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation and Expenditure of Public Moneys by RTÉ (Resumed): Discussion (12 Oct 2023)

John Brady: All right. I return to the €150,000 payment Ryan Tubridy said at this committee he would furnish back. The former chief financial officer, Richard Collins, described it as a potentially fraudulent payment in that invoices were furnished and - we have it in the Grant Thornton report - that the invoices had the description "Consultancy Fees". It is evidenced there that: "'Consultancy...

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