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Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: Caranua made no reference to that in the annual report. It simply glazed over them. The report said four cases were exceptional needs, 95 of the 175 had previously applied for funding, and 54 were not eligible. The report glazed over the fact that there were 22. Nowhere in the opening statement did the Caranua representatives say that it had included those in the other figures. I have...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: Caranua has not mentioned that in the annual statement. It did not refer to the 22 who did qualify after the cessation date and say they will be included. Why would Caranua not put that in the report if that was factual?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: Of 175 cases, four were deemed as being of exceptional need. Seeing as the Caranua representatives said they would not leave them to go off without any support or anything else, did the body write to those 22 applicants and tell them that they would be part of the remaining group of open applications that would receive funding?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: That was between August and December, so from December last year to October this year, Caranua did not write to them. There are only 22 applications.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: How many applications was it dealing with last December?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: It did not get a chance to deal with the 22 since then.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: Therefore, there is no guarantee that those 22 people will get anything because there are a number of people Caranua has made commitments to, and it is not sure or does not know.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: That was my point from the very start. There are 22 survivors of institutional abuse who are not going to be dealt with in the way they deserve and have a right to, although Caranua, as a board, has a duty of care to them.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: I want to move on.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: I have asked the question three or four times.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: Did Caranua tell the 22 applicants who were deemed eligible that they will qualify?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: They are left there. In regard to the funding, the final fund was €111.38 million and as it is capped at €110 million, that leaves €1.38 million. Is that €1.38 million going to the children's hospital?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: The Minister had said recently that €449,000 of the Christian Brothers moneys-----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: The religious orders were not instructed to give over money to correct the injustices they were responsible for only for it to go to the national children's hospital.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: It is set out in the legislation. Even if it is legal, it is terribly wrong. What is happening is that money is being taken from the mouths of survivors of institutional abuse in this State and going, not to the national children's hospital, but to a contractor to make up for the overrun and the Government's incompetence. That is what is happening here. Money from the mouths of survivors...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: Is it something that could be changed with an amendment to the 2012 Act? Could that simply be amended and that injustice corrected?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: Did the Department ever recommend that the Government would amend that? I would have no confidence that Caranua had asked that but would the Department have said it is possible to change that so we could ensure that, for example, those 22, who it appears are getting zilch, get this money, if it were to go to the people who have a right to it instead of going to contractors for overspend?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: No, but I want to know the Department's position on an amendment.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: As I said earlier, just because it is legal does not mean it is right. It is terribly wrong.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: The Department did not seek to amend that at any stage.

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