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Committee on Public Petitions: Decisions on Public Petitions Received (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: I thank Senator Buttimer. I call Deputy Buckley.

Committee on Public Petitions: Decisions on Public Petitions Received (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: The proposal is that we forward a copy of the response from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade to the petitioner and close the petition. Is that agreed? Agreed. On Petition 00048/19, it is proposed that we forward a copy of the response from the Department of Justice and Equality to the petitioner with a copy of the Harassment, Harmful Communications and Related Offences Bill...

Committee on Public Petitions: Decisions on Public Petitions Received (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: I thank Deputy Buckley. We have a proposal to keep the petition open subject to further correspondence. Deputy Cassells would like to respond.

Committee on Public Petitions: Decisions on Public Petitions Received (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: Would any other members like to contribute? No. There is a proposal that we keep the petition open pending the publication of the expected report. Is that agreed? Agreed. We will still forward a copy of the response to the petitioner, but we will not close the petition. Deputy Buckley would like to respond.

Committee on Public Petitions: Decisions on Public Petitions Received (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: To clarify, that petition remains open. We have received, as members will know, correspondence from the petitioners in response to the submissions made by the various State agencies. That petition is by no means closed.

Committee on Public Petitions: Decisions on Public Petitions Received (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: My understanding is that we are still awaiting correspondence, but there may come a time where we need to correspond with the agencies that have been corresponded with by the secretariat in respect of when we will receive a reply. It is fair to say that petitions have to be dealt with in a timely fashion as well and particularly where we are corresponding with State agencies or State-funded...

Committee on Public Petitions: Decisions on Public Petitions Received (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: Thank you. I propose that the committee adjourn until 1.30 p.m. on Wednesday, 29 January 2020. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: Mr. Tennant said that the RTÉ programme made a number of allegations relating to individuals in senior positions in these organisations and their failure to act on information relating to sexual abuse in scout groups across Ireland. Will he expand on that? What exactly does he mean by that statement?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: Mr. Tennant would agree that they are his words. There is an agreement that there is a failure to act on information. In other words, staff or responsible persons in a safeguarding role arguably failed to act on information relating to sexual abuse. Is that the case?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: No, I would like Mr. Tennant to answer the question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: They are Mr. Tennant's words. Mr. Tennant has to stand over them as chairman.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: Something is fundamental to this. We all understand that there is Scouting Ireland now. We all accept that and have given goodwill to the new procedures and protocols that have been put in place relating to governance. However, Mr. Tennant is here as head of Scouting Ireland. I argue that he must also answer for what happened in the CBSI and the SAI. Our job here is to interrogate the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: Mr. Tennant should start with the staff.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: I am asking the CEO to answer this question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: I thank Mr. Begley. That clarifies that matter.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: Please talk about the 2012 review because I am trying to clarify in my mind what the status of that review is. Correct me if I am wrong but my interpretation of that was Scouting Ireland failed to carry out a scoping exercise to see if further work was required on the files of complaint. My understanding is that was never done, that an undertaking was given to carry out such work and that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: I have a question about the traffic light system. Mr. Tennant said in his opening statement: "Scouting Ireland has always reported any reportable offences". What is the threshold for a reportable offence?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: I understand the current framework. We would be well versed in Children First, Signs of Safety and all of that but I want to know about happened historically because that is what is pertinent to this hearing.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: I wish to distil this matter down to the "RTÉ Investigates" programme and extrapolate what Deputy Rabbitte has mentioned about the reporting mechanism. If we accept absolutely the bona fides of those who bore witness on that programme and accept them as genuine witnesses, it is arguable that there was a failure of reporting in that instance. That bridges the divide between the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Children and Youth Affairs: Governance Issues in Scouting Ireland: Discussion (4 Dec 2019)

Seán Sherlock: Indeed.

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