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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Right. Okay.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: On the 22 staff who were loaned, where did they come from within the Department?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: This is a very different Department from the one that was envisaged. I know there were additional functions and much has happened in relation, for example, to children, childcare and the mother and baby home legislation. It is not just one thing; there is a multiplicity of things. On mother and baby homes and the delay in files, is that a delay at the Tusla level or is that a Department...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: We are all meeting people now who are stressed out. There is a human cost in relation to those delays. However, that is not a departmental issue. Does the Department have a responsibility to ensure Tusla has the resources to do that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: There was not an expectation of significant delays when people applied.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I want to ask about the reductions in Tusla residential care made as a result of the 2020 spending review. What impact did this have on the cost and availability? Is it the same envelope that is available and is being stretched further? Respite is incredibly important to families. I would like an indication on the spending review.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: How did that happen? Was it through purchases or leases?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: They also have to be staffed. It has a capital and current cost.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Has it provided additional spaces? Is it just from a financial perspective that it has made a difference?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: With regard to unaccompanied minors, what numbers are we speaking about?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: Are there plans for this vulnerable group?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: So there is no cliff edge.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I have dealt with some Irish nationals who were in care and their experiences have been quite mixed. I have come across people who have been badly let down with regard to having a future pathway. I want to ask Mr. McCarthy to provide us with information on the process the providers go through. Will Mr. McCarthy provide us with this documentation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I want to be sure that we get it so that we see it. What is the length of time it typically takes when a provider comes with an offer of accommodation? Deputy Munster made the point that once it is progressing through the system there should be a communication plan. I reiterate the point made by the Chair. People do not believe us. The loss of trust of communities in their public...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: This is not a case of something being offered on Monday with the contract being signed on Friday. This is a longer process.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I will come back on the point about briefing. Mr. McCarthy obviously sees it very differently from the way we see it. I got a briefing in four instances. In one case I got a phone call to say the contract was signed and people were moving in. In another case, they had moved in already and I was being advised in retrospect. In a third case, information had emerged and a public meeting had...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: I have a question on modular homes, 500 of which are being delivered on a pilot basis. What is the expectation for further provision beyond the pilot and what is the timeline for that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth (Resumed)
(16 Feb 2023)

Catherine Murphy: We all want the work to be over soon to make up the provision for the bulk of the people who have arrived here from Ukraine in the past 12 months and who have been able to work from their time of arrival. Is work being done on recognition of professional qualifications? Is there a plan in this regard for the longer term? There are many people arriving here who have valuable skills. How is...

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