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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: Please. That is not fair.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: I was only asking for consistency.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (Resumed) (20 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: I thank all the experts. I will first pose a housekeeping question which I have put to previous expert groups and will also ask subsequent expert groups. Will the witnesses indicate whether they have been consulted or contacted by the Department, Health Service Executive, Ministers or officials on the heads of the Bill since the expert group report was published? Were they consulted on the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: I echo what Deputy Billy Timmins said regarding the availability of the submission from the College of Psychiatrists of Ireland.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: Okay, but I understood that the Chairman meant Members of the Oireachtas when he referred to "members" earlier.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: That is very regrettable.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: If we could get one copy, we could make our own arrangements.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: Non-members are being subjected to a regrettable inconvenience in this regard. We are all putting in the full ten hours here. I thank our expert witnesses, who have been given the difficult shift. How dramatic do they believe the change to obstetric practice in Ireland will be as a result of this legislation, particularly in respect of head 4? Dr. Mary McCaffrey talked about the need for...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: I thank the Chairman for the job he is doing, which is difficult. Underpinning my questions is the fact that I would not like there to be a chilling effect on legislators or specialists doing their best to understand what the evidence says. That is a job we must all do. It is quite clear from Dr. Coulter-Smith's paper that it is a job he and his colleagues, as obstetricians, must do having...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: Is that within the witnesses' capacity under these heads? Finally, what is the situation in regard to painkilling in these situations under heads 2, 3 and 4 when dealing with later term deliveries?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: I understand that is not the case.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: I was informed by an official that it was not the case.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: I was given to understand by one of the officials that was not the case.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: Will the Chairman revert to us on the issue after lunch?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: It is an important issue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: I asked a question rather than expressed regret.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: We have not seen the full submission of the Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists to which someone alluded. We have only seen today's speaking notes. Does the submission include any concerns of obstetricians and gynaecologists about their role in certifying or carrying out abortions, particularly on grounds of suicide? Dr. Sam Coulter-Smith, who will address the committee later,...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: I am quoting him for the record. I sense a certain discrepancy between that statement and a general nod of approval for the legislation. Is there more information in the submission that would enlighten us about the concerns that many doctors have? Turning to the Irish College of General Practitioners, as I understand it-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: That is fair, but I assure them that I am quoting from a verbatim transcript.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health and Children: Heads of Protection of Life during Pregnancy Bill 2013: Public Hearings (17 May 2013)

Rónán Mullen: Go raibh míle maith agat. Glacaim le do neodracht. Will the Irish College of General Practitioners provide guidance regarding the motion that was most recently passed? As I understand it, a motion approving of the Government's legislative proposal was amended in favour of a desire for evidence-based medical guidelines. I would appreciate clarity on this point. I would also like...

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