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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: The farm organisations have a role. We understand.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am just making the point that it is a difficult situation. Will the Department send the committee figures on staff by location, including the office in Dublin, Cavan, Clonakilty and Portlaoise? I know there is a map showing the Department's offices but will it provide a list of staff by county or location?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: The matter of the OPW and leasing buildings versus buying buildings was discussed prior to this session. Will the Department send the committee the leasing building costs in each location? Mr. Gleeson will know that I have a specific interest in Portlaoise, but if it is relevant to Portlaoise it is relevant to several other key locations. We would like to know how much the Department is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Department should have that information by premises.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: It will be on a printout. That is important. Is Mr. Gleeson satisfied about the premises in Portlaoise? There had been a plan for additional staff to come down, this was in the same building. Does the Department still own the site? That never progressed, in any case. Where is the Department at on this?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Will the Department send us a note on that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Other Departments are also using some of the building. The Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection is there, as is road testing, and the Probation Service.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Department should send us the note it has on that, so altogether we seek notes on farm safety, location of staff and leasing costs. Food safety follows on from what the Deputy was speaking about. She is a member of the health committee. It could take a step back and deal with some of the issues that are in its remit, and bring the issue back to the producer. The health committee...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is what I am coming to. I have scoured - sorry for using agricultural word - I have examined in detail -----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am reading about food safety, but I do not see reference to the Food Safety Authority of Ireland, FSAI. I presume it is elsewhere.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Which sector?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Even though the title of Mr. Gleeson's Department is Agriculture, Food and Marine, the Food Safety Authority of Ireland is not under it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Comptroller and Auditor General wishes to come in.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is fine. It is under our remit. I just thought that it would be in the Department of Food, Agriculture and Marine, but that is probably historic. The Department used to be the Department of Agriculture, but is now also Food and Marine.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Will the Department send us a note on the relationship or how the system works? I am not looking for the service level agreement or anything but just an information note. I wish to raise two other points. I was disappointed to see the figure in the accounts for grants to the organic sector. In 2016 is was €53.566 million and in 2017 it was €45.063 million, a reduction of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is fine. It says the scheme is closed to new applicants. The Department is letting the old scheme run out or expire but why are there not new people coming onto it every year? Surely people want food that is produced organically. I know it can be more expensive and it may be a niche market but if the Department of Agriculture, Food and Marine has stopped the scheme to encourage...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Was it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: What is the ballpark estimate for the coming year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Department would hope to build it up again. Mr. Gleeson might send a note on the old scheme and the new scheme. It jumped out at me to see that this, of all schemes, had been closed for a period.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine
(20 Jun 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Gleeson has been asked a few times about the fixed assets. He is going to say the Department is working on it but we know that. However, I find what is in front of us to be extraordinary. I am only talking about the office equipment and other machinery, not buildings or anything like that. There was a cost valuation of €233 million and depreciation of €221 million. The...

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