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Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: In the annual report we received last night, under the heading of applications made after 1 August 2018, which was the cessation date, Caranua had received applications from 175 individuals. Of these, 95 had been previously dealt with as such or had previously applied for funding supports.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: It appears these individuals were not satisfied given that they made further applications. Caranua indicated that 54 of the remaining 80 individuals were not eligible and did not qualify, while four were exceptional needs cases. This left 22 applicants who, I presume, were eligible for funding.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: Were it not for the cut-off date, would they have been eligible and entitled?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: I was curious when I read that.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: There are 22 eligible applicants but Caranua has not included them.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: Are they included in the figure of 317?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: Previous speakers referred to Caranua's duty of care. Caranua hopes to use the remaining €8 million in funding by June but there may be a surplus. It did not know for certain that it would use all this money, although that is its aim. Given that Caranua has a duty of care and given Mr. O'Callaghan's comments a few moments ago that "survivors are number one", why would Caranua not...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: Did Caranua flag it up with the Department that 22 individual applicants were eligible? They came after the cessation date all right but they were eligible and perfectly entitled to redress. That was their right. That is the purpose of Caranua. That is what it was set up for. The body has not included them. Ms Downes said Caranua was unsure whether it was because the body had enough in...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: What did the Department say when Caranua made contact about those 22 applications?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: Caranua did not think it important enough that there were 22 victims or survivors of institutional abuse in this State who were entitled to, and eligible for, the supports. The body set up for that purpose had a duty of care towards them but Caranua did not think it worthy to raise that with the Department. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: So Caranua did raise it. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: We are talking about people here. We are talking about 22 survivors of institutional abuse. My question to Ms Downes calls for a "Yes" or "No" answer. Did Caranua flag up with the Department that 22 people were going to be thrown to one side and that Caranua was not giving them money? It was money they were entitled to. The body set up with a duty of care to those survivors took the view...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: It is not unfortunate. it is shameful.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: Ms Hynes made reference to outreach. The Caranua report states that while it would have preferred to place advertisements in all relevant and national newspapers, it was mindful that all operational costs, including advertising, must come from under the fund. Caranua had already spent €11 million on operations and administration. Surely, the survivor comes first. Caranua undertook...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: Had it been more thorough, would Caranua have reached out to more survivors? I have listening to what Ms Downes has said. To be honest, I am still completely shocked. I read a report last night about the responses to some of the victims two years ago. They discussed how they were treated or how they perceived themselves to have been treated by Caranua. I am in total shock that there are...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: The fact is I asked the question. The answer is that Caranua did not flag it up. As an organisation, Caranua did not flag it up. Caranua was fully aware that 22 people were falling through the cracks and it did nothing about it. I have asked the question. We have spent five minutes on it.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: There are 22 applicants who were eligible and who have got nothing. There were 22 applications of 175 after the cessation.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: I have just asked the question. They are not in the figure of 317 open applications.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: In answer to Deputy Connolly, Mr. O'Callaghan has said Caranua is still working with 320 cases.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Imelda Munster: A total of 317 are open cases.

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